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Hey Unsub, My take on Spyderco zdp
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09/02/07 03:55 PM
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That sounds like a great day. What kind of steel is your Endura? I am trying to find someone with a ZDP version who is not a Spyderco collector for an unbiased opinion. Hey Unsub, I did not want to hijack a thread so I'll post this as a new thread. I am a Spyderco collector too but I think I can give you a fair assessment of the Spyderco knives with zdp-189 steel. First, they are great knives for EDC. Spyderco workmanship and quality is appreciated and proven to many, many collectors and non collectors. Now the zdp steel is a mixed blessing for me. The blades come razor sharp and if you use them for routine light to medium cutting, you will rarely have to sharpen them and when you do they are easily touched up with a sharpmaker or similar ceramic stick type sharpener. Under this scenario the zdp blades are fantastic. If you use the blade for heavy cutting and significantly dull the edge, then it's a different story for me. zdp is hard stuff and it takes a lot more time to resharpen or reprofile the zdp edge than say a SYKCo Yard keeper’s blade which is tough and easily resharpened and even reprofiled. Also if you use the zdp hard IT WILL CHIP the tip or edge. Then it's just plain tough for the average owner that does not have a grinder or belt sander and/or the skill to use them. You basically would have to send the knife in to have the edge reprofiled or sharpened. Most folks don't want to give up their EDC that long. Most of us on the knife forums have many different types of knives and steels, and I personally use many, many of my knives. I have one of every one of the Spyderco zdp knives and I love them because I only use them for a lot of light to medium cutting. They are great to carry because they are folders and compact and the handles are made of materials that are light and tough. But if I need a knife for heavy cutting that might include prying or impact, then I use a SYK, SRK or Busse. If I had to pick just one small blade for everything that I do with a knife, I would not pick the zdp steel for the reasons above. But for the average person that uses a knife for cutting a lot with everyday light to medium usage, the zdp knives are great IMO.
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Re: Hey Unsub, My take on Spyderco zdp
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09/02/07 05:33 PM
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Great review KS! Thanks. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
I had been wondering about the ZDP steel and now I am educated. S30V remains my favorite pocket knife steel. There are some new Benchmades in D2 and I look forward to trying one of them whenever I stumble across a deal I can't resist. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Hey Unsub, My take on Spyderco zdp
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09/02/07 11:46 PM
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Thanks a lot for the ZDP review. KS, I have wanted a ZDP Endura for a while now. The first quality knife I ever had was a old delicia. One thing I like about Spydies is you can tell one is a Spyderco without any label. They have a distinctive look that some people don't like but I think is very innovative. I was very very impressed with how quickly Sal Glesser got back to me about my question about the Mule team. He even told me why they have had troubles getting with the 51 200 steel. Other than Busse kin and some small businesses I have never had that kind of response from the head of a company. Does anyone else think a spyderco made out of 51200 would be awesome especially as it would be a tiny run with the company wanting your feedback? Until Scrapyard comes out with a folder I think Spyderco will be my first choice in folders although the Emerson waved Commander coming after the long weekend could give it a run for it's money. Which would you guys pick? ![[Linked Image from img2.putfile.com]](http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/9/24317525385.jpg)
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Re: Hey Unsub, My take on Spyderco zdp
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09/02/07 11:57 PM
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I'd pick the bottom one. Its a lockback and great skinning blade.
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Re: Hey Unsub, My take on Spyderco zdp
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09/03/07 12:06 AM
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That sounds like a great day. What kind of steel is your Endura? I am trying to find someone with a ZDP version who is not a Spyderco collector for an unbiased opinion. Hey Unsub, I did not want to hijack a thread so I'll post this as a new thread. I am a Spyderco collector too but I think I can give you a fair assessment of the Spyderco knives with zdp-189 steel. First, they are great knives for EDC. Spyderco workmanship and quality is appreciated and proven to many, many collectors and non collectors. Now the zdp steel is a mixed blessing for me. The blades come razor sharp and if you use them for routine light to medium cutting, you will rarely have to sharpen them and when you do they are easily touched up with a sharpmaker or similar ceramic stick type sharpener. Under this scenario the zdp blades are fantastic. If you use the blade for heavy cutting and significantly dull the edge, then it's a different story for me. zdp is hard stuff and it takes a lot more time to resharpen or reprofile the zdp edge than say a SYKCo Yard keeper’s blade which is tough and easily resharpened and even reprofiled. Also if you use the zdp hard IT WILL CHIP the tip or edge. Then it's just plain tough for the average owner that does not have a grinder or belt sander and/or the skill to use them. You basically would have to send the knife in to have the edge reprofiled or sharpened. Most folks don't want to give up their EDC that long. Most of us on the knife forums have many different types of knives and steels, and I personally use many, many of my knives. I have one of every one of the Spyderco zdp knives and I love them because I only use them for a lot of light to medium cutting. They are great to carry because they are folders and compact and the handles are made of materials that are light and tough. But if I need a knife for heavy cutting that might include prying or impact, then I use a SYK, SRK or Busse. If I had to pick just one small blade for everything that I do with a knife, I would not pick the zdp steel for the reasons above. But for the average person that uses a knife for cutting a lot with everyday light to medium usage, the zdp knives are great IMO. do you think the laminated ZDP is any stronger?
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Re: Hey Unsub, My take on Spyderco zdp
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09/03/07 12:07 AM
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Thanks a lot for the ZDP review. KS, I have wanted a ZDP Endura for a while now. The first quality knife I ever had was a old delicia. One thing I like about Spydies is you can tell one is a Spyderco without any label. They have a distinctive look that some people don't like but I think is very innovative. I was very very impressed with how quickly Sal Glesser got back to me about my question about the Mule team. He even told me why they have had troubles getting with the 51 200 steel. Other than Busse kin and some small businesses I have never had that kind of response from the head of a company. Does anyone else think a spyderco made out of 51200 would be awesome especially as it would be a tiny run with the company wanting your feedback? Until Scrapyard comes out with a folder I think Spyderco will be my first choice in folders although the Emerson waved Commander coming after the long weekend could give it a run for it's money. Which would you guys pick? are they selling the 52100 blades already?
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Re: Hey Unsub, My take on Spyderco zdp
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09/03/07 12:35 AM
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No they do this thing called a mule team run where if you know the right people you can get in on a small experimental run of knives the most recent being 51200 and are expected to give feedback to help them decide whether to do a bigger run. They also have "Sprint" runs where they make a quick batch of knives that are popular with collectors but maybe are not huge sellers
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Re: Hey Unsub, My take on Spyderco zdp
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09/03/07 01:53 AM
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I like zdp-189, but I won't cut anything really hard with it. It took me an hour to re profile on the 204 after I tried some heavy cutting with it and chipped the blade out. If you touch it up every now and then it works fine. My daily light carry is a Caly jr in zdp. It just keeps on cutting and I love full flat grinds, and at the price you really can't beat it.
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Re: Hey Unsub, My take on Spyderco zdp
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09/03/07 01:55 AM
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That sounds like a great day. What kind of steel is your Endura? I am trying to find someone with a ZDP version who is not a Spyderco collector for an unbiased opinion. Hey Unsub, I did not want to hijack a thread so I'll post this as a new thread. I am a Spyderco collector too but I think I can give you a fair assessment of the Spyderco knives with zdp-189 steel. First, they are great knives for EDC. Spyderco workmanship and quality is appreciated and proven to many, many collectors and non collectors. Now the zdp steel is a mixed blessing for me. The blades come razor sharp and if you use them for routine light to medium cutting, you will rarely have to sharpen them and when you do they are easily touched up with a sharpmaker or similar ceramic stick type sharpener. Under this scenario the zdp blades are fantastic. If you use the blade for heavy cutting and significantly dull the edge, then it's a different story for me. zdp is hard stuff and it takes a lot more time to resharpen or reprofile the zdp edge than say a SYKCo Yard keeper’s blade which is tough and easily resharpened and even reprofiled. Also if you use the zdp hard IT WILL CHIP the tip or edge. Then it's just plain tough for the average owner that does not have a grinder or belt sander and/or the skill to use them. You basically would have to send the knife in to have the edge reprofiled or sharpened. Most folks don't want to give up their EDC that long. Most of us on the knife forums have many different types of knives and steels, and I personally use many, many of my knives. I have one of every one of the Spyderco zdp knives and I love them because I only use them for a lot of light to medium cutting. They are great to carry because they are folders and compact and the handles are made of materials that are light and tough. But if I need a knife for heavy cutting that might include prying or impact, then I use a SYK, SRK or Busse. If I had to pick just one small blade for everything that I do with a knife, I would not pick the zdp steel for the reasons above. But for the average person that uses a knife for cutting a lot with everyday light to medium usage, the zdp knives are great IMO. do you think the laminated ZDP is any stronger? Lamination does nothing for the actual cutting edge and tip of the zdp-189/420j laminated blades. The lamination on those blades does not cover to the edge of the blade. The lamination helps "toughen" the overall blade but it does nothing for the 1/8" - 1/4" of exposed zdp steel that is not laminated and exposed along the entire edge length of the blade. Since the edge and tip have no lamination it is still going to chip if you apply lateral loading, hard use or impact forces on these areas. Nothing really changes between the laminated or the solid zdp blades on the business edge/tip of those blades'
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Re: Hey Unsub, My take on Spyderco zdp
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09/03/07 12:19 PM
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thanks, i had heard it chips less than s30? i have carried my zdp endura for a month is all but i haven't had any problems
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Re: Hey Unsub, My take on Spyderco zdp
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09/03/07 04:11 PM
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I heard the opposite that ZDP chips more than S30V? I like full flat grinds as well, it is what makes the YKLE way better than the Mutt.
Does anyone else think a 52100 steel spyderco folder would be awesome? I have always wanted a nonstainless high quality tool steel bladed folder from a good company like Benchmade, spyderco or really any competent folder maker. It is easy to find a nice tool steel fixed blade but try finding a folder and it is either an old Case or Buck. I think Tops has a ugly thick 1095 folder but there are no quality tool steel ones of modern design I can recall?
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