Bruce you sure know how to stir up a hornets nest! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

This thread should get all the Rats out into the grass of The Yard.

Me, I think that the performance of my entire Rat collection "A Gen 1 Howling Rat" is just fine! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />
Perhaps it is more expensive than Dans Shock Steel SR-77 The NEW Busse Super Steel but all rats need something of their own don't they?
They do have very nice designs you must agree. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

But like our dear friend Unsub pointed out yesterday the Res-C handles will NEVER stick to your skin in Sub Zero weather. Not a concern for Rainwalker but for him, Bram,C.O. and a host of others it is a very real concern. Res-C handles rule! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bowdown.gif" alt="" />

I love them because they N E V E R slip out of my hands.
Is I am cleaning fish under the flowing water of a stream or using Joy dish soap at home to clean it off I can not make Res-C slip!!

Greatest stuff since sliced cheese! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bowdown.gif" alt="" />

SR-101 .... just not for me I guess. My Rat sharpens up easy enough. It has a Res-C handle. But the OOMF is just not there. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

You know Bruce that "HAND FULL OF STEEL" feeling that all the Scrap Yard knives give to you. Even my new prized Yard Keeper Combat Grade is thin as my Gen 1 HR but for some reason it STILL gives me that "HAND FULL OF STEEL" feeling. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Dans SR-77 is a sick ,sick steel. I have done horrible things to my Dog Father and Mutt and both...like good Dogs should come happily back home sharp and ready for round 2. Or in their case round 369 or so. I have pummeled them both and they are mint. Except for a few scratches in the coating on my Mutt. I removed the CG from my Dog Father. Sorry I did that. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/sad.gif" alt="" />

The Swamp Rats need some steel to call their own. I say let it stay. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

For me I have been and will ever be a faithful Dog. I have said it before and I will say it forever. I would and DO stack my family's safety and their very lives on the quality and perfection of all my Scrap Yard Knives. I have NEVER felt more confident about ANY blade or steel in my entire life. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bowdown.gif" alt="" />

Long live The Yard. And SR-77 for everyone!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Peace.




Great thread idea Bruce! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Is SR-77 really stronger when it's the same thickness as SR-101? Most of my SRs have noticably thinner blades than my SYs, which is why I typically consider SR knives to be superior for small blades (thinner == better slicer). I know that the DFCG lateral strength test was amazing, but that was a very thick blade.

I buy both companies knives, and have been buying from the Yard most often lately, but the Rats have released some good stuff too.

a very thick blade usually has less flexibility actually jim, and they're all about the same size, unless you can notice a .010 of an inch difference or so.
sr77 is a proven tougher steel, if you ask me.
but I think sr101 is plenty tough(especially when diff. heat treated) and probably holds a better edge than sr77.
I think its a great steel and shouldn't be retired, even though I prefer sr 77.

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if its swamprats steel of choice, than its there steel of choice and we're not going to change that.
they use it for a reason. (IMO)
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No, SR101 should not be retired. It's a very fine knife steel. In recent months, I have used my Ratweiler quite a bit for chopping branches to burn. The fine edge I put on it months ago is pristine. I would say that the edge holding of SR101 is outstanding. Is SR77 good enough? Yes. In the small knives, that are used mostly for light cutting and slicing, I can't tell any difference. Maybe if I was a big hunter and skinned a lot of animals, I could tell a difference. But my choppers see a lot more wear. I would give a slight "edge" to the SR101 over SR77. I can touch up my DF very quickly and easily after hard use with a ceramic rod in just a few light strokes. I do this routinely to keep it shaving sharp. I am used to doing this often on Tramontina machetes that are much softer steel than SR77, so it is no big deal. I have not had to do it yet on the Ratweiler after chopping quite a bit of firewood. My two cents.

No way, I say the more super steels that are around the better!

ahhhh. true.
but they obviously use it for a reason.
(its better edge holding)
and... what fun would it be if they all used the same steel?
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Let's be practical, Bruce. When any knife maker chooses a steel, he has several considerations and he chooses a steel appropriate to the intended use with the qualities he deems most important. Dan has placed toughness and affordability at the top. With his heat treatment, the S7 shock steel has comparable edge retention to many other quality knife steels with greater toughness. I would guess that to differntially temper a blade in SR101 as Swamp Rat does with their larger knives costs more than it does to make a blade in SR77, even without the added cost of micarta handles. I like SR77 and SR101, but if Dan scores some other quality steels (numbers and letters) that he intends to use on future offerings, I am not worried. I trust Dan to keep top performance at the best possible price his guiding principle.

I think SR101 has it's own unique qualities and strengths that make it an important part of the Swamp Rat line. I personally have always preferred a good carbon steel knife for wood craft, and therefore will always have a soft spot for SR101. It's a great steel, I say keep it! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

I like the SR77 a lot, Bruce. I have completely stopped buying Busse Combat knives because as good as they are, Scrap Yard gives me a lot more bang for the buck. If I want something a little more "upscale", I get a Swamp Rat. Besides, I have Busses in every size I use, except 5" (which I sold), and my Mutts and Ratmandus have that covered. I'll admit, INFI is probabaly the ultimate knife steel, but I am not the ultimate user.

If Dan uses some other steel for some knives other than SR77, that's fine with me, as long as he still makes the bigger ones available in SR77. I like having some choices, and right now there are three grades of Busses in three very good steels. It works for me.

That's a good point Bruce. One thing that never seams to change is change itself. Things will always change eventually and it would be interesting to see what the future holds. I'm sure that SR77 would make a logical replacement for SR101 and I'm sure there are other steels that would work well too. I would be very interested in seeing how other steels would stack up too, once the Busse treatment in applied. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I am able put a better edge on my SR101 blades than any other blade of a different steel. Not sure about all the science or art behind this, but that's been my experience so I sure hope SR101 is around for years to come.

Bruce - you DO play the Devil's advocate! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I trust Dan to provide the best bang for the buck - period! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> Infi, SR-101, or SR77 - they all comprise great knives!! The Busses would not use them if the steels were not up to their quality standards.

At the Blade show last June, I stopped at an exhibitors booth down the line from the Busse booths. I was remarking how I had never seen a feeding frenzy like what was taking place by Jerry's booth - people buying his knives without even knowing the price. The exhibitor said "I wish I had customers like that !". I replied; "You have to have knives like his!". I am a believer in the Busse Family of knives!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

You can get a scary sharp edge on both of them, but the SR101 is just a bit sharper, I think.

The only true way to say for certain is to put anecdotal evidence aside and conduct some scientific testing and let the data speak for itself. Right now all we pretty much have is anecdotal, end user speculation. The big problem with end user anecdotal speculation is that it tends to be full of emotion and bias.

First, 101 is a bigger number than 77. Would you rather have a 770 MHz PC or a 1.01 Gigahertz PC? So we have to consider this clear advantage that SR101 has.

Also, do you think there are more ball bearings in the world or leaf spring shocks? I would say ball bearings by a large margin. That makes SR101 a far more experienced steel than SR77.

Therefore there is no need to retire SR101 because it brings some obvious and differentiated advantages versus SR77.
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Been drinking a bit have we...LOL <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Not yet Bors but I plan to start soon! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Jerry, I'm surprised! That's the American way. Don't we pick our Presidents the same way? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

SR101 has it's place and I agree I think it takes a keener edge than SR77 which I think makes it the better choice for smaller knives. SR77 being tougher is better suited for choppers and large knives. I also personaly like the Res C handles better than the micarta.

INFI well it's the best but IMHO RES C handles would be a better match to big knives made with INFI.

Yeah, if we had some real data we could argue about the validity of the tests and the accuracy of the measurements! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

LOL.... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

As well as the background of those conducting the tests.

i am certainly no steel expert and will not pretend to be one.i do however consider the people at busse combat to be steel experts and the proof is in the pudding.....or should i say,the INFI.

since i am not the expert i have to trust someone else and i have chosen to trust busse.everything they do boils down to their product being the best that they can make and as reliable as possible and their warranty backs all that up and when i say busse,of course i also mean swamprat and scrapyard.i dont care what anyone says,we all know its all jerry's.he started it all.

with that said.52100 has always had a reputation for its edge "holding" reputation and as we all know,S7 has its reputation for being able to withstand high levels of shock and when you think about those traits it makes since why they use 52100 for ball berings because they will be rubbing a lot and cant ware down and why they use s7 for jack hammer bits.

should sr101 be retired???....if jerry thinks so,sure.

and while its fun to talk about i know i dont have to worry about it because whatever they do will serve me just fine and better than i could ask for.

Bors, I owe you a drink when we meet! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/loopy.gif" alt="" />

That is exactly what was on my mind forever. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

You said that perfectly! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

The Res-C is unreal in shock absorbing! For a big chopping style blade it has no equal. The SR-77 takes a edge like 440C to me! I have a edge on my Hook that shaves hair in bucket loads it is so freakin sharp! I carried it today and tested it on my arm before leaving home. It is just sick how it peels hair off my arm. I am no master at sharpening, especially a huge thick re-curve like the Hook. But after beating trees and brush into dust with it , mine is scary sharp!

I use the Edge Select 120 auto system and it makes all my SR-77 scary sharp.

The fact that SR-101 runs a bit thinner and has now gone to the Micarta scales makes me certain I will grab a Scrap Yard Knife when I leave the house.
Being a Dog I ALWAYS carry a fixed blade on my hip, even Sunday to Church!
Folks wouldn't recognize me without a Scrap Yard Res-C stump on my hip! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Like I said before you have to have the Mid Grade Busse stuff no matter what they use for steel, it will be a mid grade between Scrap and Combat stuff.
The Swamp Rat line is a great line of knives. Seem to stay in stock for a very long time too! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" />
I wonder how much more product they make compared to Scrap Yard?

Always thinking.... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

Peace.

Well, ball bearings being generally small and leaf springs being generally large and thick does lend some circumstantial evidence to the SR101-for-thin-knives and SR-77-for-thick-knives.

There, I've done my part in getting the thread back on track. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Thanks for not calling the fun police Bruce <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

While I can't comment on sr101's performance from experience... As sr77 is the best knife steel in the world that isn't called INFI, I guess I wouldn't miss sr101 if it went out of production!

Bors mentioned marrying up INFI to res-C, now THAT is a good idea! But.. for the money I'll be happy with good old sr77 in my res-C, with the extra money in my bank account to buy more Xbox360 games! (Went nuts and just bought one today..)

Just a final thought on this... sr77 and res-C is cheaper to buy than sr101 and the cursed micarta.. Why is Rat still in business?? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

Another thought on INFI and res-C... While I have previously been a strong advocate of a res-C and INFI S7 as the ultimate knife, it occurs to me that sr77 would be just as good- bar a little more surface corrosion. The sr77 S7 would also cost vast amounts less than INFI so 1/ more of us could afford it 2/ at that price you could really use it!

Anyway back to sr101... (The dog doesn't approve of it!) <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

Come on Paul - tell us what you REALLY think of it!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I have the opposite opinion. I think Scrapyard should release some sr101 blades.
Regardless of HD's one test(I looked but have not found it)Sr101 does have much better edge retention than S7 even though whatever Scrapyard does to S7 to make it SR77 really helps. I find SR101 perfect for smaller thinner slicing blades and S7 better for bigger choppers.

I also think it is not Sr77 that defines Scrapyard but the bang for the buck ethos and the use of RES-C. Thats why I want to see a SR101 SS4 maybe even with a thinner blade.

It is as hard to measure steel on a graph as it is to measure a person. Steel seems o have a certain personality that make it suitable for different jobs.
SR101/52100 is usually used for ball bearings and S7 for jack hammer bits.
Ball bearings need to retain their shape perfectly while jackhammer bits need to be very tough. Because 52100/SR101(I will just call it 52100 from now on) has a personality suited to ball bearings it is also suited to very fine hard edges.

My new Spyderco Mule is 52100 with a very fine edge and thin sharp geometry which makes for one of the sharpest edges I have ever seen.


Through Hardened Battle Rats don't seem to be any less tough than the diff tempered versions.


conclusion- Sr77 can't replace SR101 because they each have jobs they excel at.
Sr101 does very fine thin hard edges even better than INFI while S7 excels at tasks that require a lot of impact resistance.

Another great SR101 scrapper would be a Howling dog. A YKCG made of SR101 would make a lot of HR fans happy.

Hey, everyone keeps referencing a test done that proved SR77 to be better, It would be really helpful if someone would post up the link to info on that test.

Thanks!

I'm in the "SR77 better for big knives, SR101 better for small knives" camp myself, but that is just from what I've heard. I don't own any dogs myself... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

Another advantage that Swamp Rat has... things stay in stock for more than an hour! man, I cannot tell you how annoyingly hard it is to buy a SY knife

Yep I know your pain CloaknDagger, I missed the special offer logo'd little knife recently as I started a new job the morning after the release so couldn't stay up all night to order one! That's the problem of being 5 or 6 hours ahead of the yard..

You HAVE to love the British Bull-Dog !!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Did you ever think about running in the opposite direction <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

ahahah!
lol
thats was great.

I NEVER MISS A release!
never!
just get the 48 hour notice and cancel all plans for anything going on the day of the release.
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I agree. If Dan scrounged up some SR101 for some YKs or Urban Mutts, it would be fine with me. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

well yeah, thats what I meant.
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sr 102 or 5200 is suppose to have good edge retention over a large variety of material. this is one advantage that it can claim.
i do hope for a variety of steel here.

I think a variety of steel would be interesting because whatever it was would have to meet the Busses high standards, as well as live up to their warranty policy. And Dan's policy of "superior performance to price ratio" should guarantee us an excellent value in a knife! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

The reference bld522 was using is: Howling Rat & Yard Keeper Compared

I also found a couple Ratweiler vs Scrap Yard comparisons (Horn Dog used a Yard Hook and Jerrwhy used a Yard Guard); in both cases, the Ratweiler was judged winner by a slight margin over Yard knives. The Ratweiler and the current, but only one color combination left in stock re-release, the Chopweiler, are both fine knives. However, the difference in performance hasn't been significant enough to motivate me to buy a Chopweiler (which is priced at 66% more than last year's Yard Guard/Hook -- especially since they can still be had at or near that price on the secondary market):
Ratweiler, Yard Hook, Ranger RD7 Compared
RW vs RD-7 vs YG (long and not 56k friendly)

For a more recent price comparison, Dogfother LEs were also released for less than the Chopweiler, with the difference being nearly enough to cover a factory nylon sheath. However, I don't think you'll find any chop-off comparisons between those two knives because the Chopweiler would be so obviously outclassed. That's the main reason I was surprised when Dogfother LEs took days to sell out -- they may have been expensive for a Scrap Yard release, but they were a bargain compared to other knives. When people compare Dogfathers, it's most often with Battle Mistresses that sold for at least twice as much.

I may try a comparison between a Swarden and a YKCG in order to see how the steels compare in smaller knives in a variety of material. I don't know if wood is hard enough on the edges of steel to show off the advantage that Sr101 has. One material that I have cut lately that is hell on edges is Same (stingray leather).
It is hard ,dry and has little bumps so it attacks the edge from all angles. I wish I had a Res-C Howler for my SR101 knife so it would be identical. The swarden is pretty close though and I will try cutting on a scale so the force applied is the same.

The Howler and the YKCG are like the Busse Mule team knives. Identical in everything but steel.

NO!

I think in this kind of test sr101 will come out on top, not by too much though.
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INFI, SR101, S77. That's the way I like it baby!

I have an idea Bruce. Get a rope!

just about anything dulls knives, corigated cardbaord, all kinds of tuff, just get a bunch of wahtever material you choose, get an sr77 knife an sr101 knife and cut away.
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you don't have any rats bld522?

I have cut a lot of stuff. I did a test on my SS4 when I first got it and cut cardboard for a long time without it getting dull.

Hammered it through hard dry maple.

and even did food prep.

But nothing dulled an edge liking cutting that dried stingray. I only cut out enough for 2 sides of one small(Mule)knife and I dulled both the Swarden and the Mule. Other than my SS4 which was not handy I did not have any Scrapyards sharp enough. Now I have the YKCG so it MIGHT be sharp enough if I thin it out a bit.

Actually I can tell how good edge retention is on a knife by how long it takes to sharpen. My buddy gave me a old stainless chefs knife to sharpen and it was really dull and by the time I finally got it sharp I wanted to buy it off him.
Even though all the labels were worn off I could tell by how hard it was to sharpen that it was a great knife. 52100 is the same way, it is not as hard as S30V but harder than S7.

I think you are right, Usub. Before I got the belt sander, I used to hate it when my friends would give me old German Pumas or new ATS-34 knives to sharpen.It took a long time to sharpen a really dull one. SR101 is a little harder to sharpen than SR77, so I'm guessing it is a little more wear resistant. SR77 is as easy to sharpen as 1095. It sharpens easily and holds an edge pretty well. Of course, I have wasted hours trying to sharpen cheap 420 knives for folks. Unless the heat treat is right, 420 just won't take a good edge.

Actually, INFI sharpens fairly easily. I don't know if it is any harder than SR101. None of the Busse steels are as hard to sharpen as ATS-34.

No. I don't know for sure that INFI holds an edge that much better than SR101. It may be tougher and more corrosion resistant. I'm glad Busse doesn't made thier blades too hard. No matter how hard you make them, eventually ALL will dull. Edge retention is important, but I think some manufacturers go overboard with it. I like all the Busse steels better than some of the super hard stainless steels I've used. Besides, all three of the Busse steels are tough, not just hard. If Busse ever does decide to replace SR101 with another steel, it would be because they developed a better one.

From the Big Dog

INFI is the exception as far as sharpening because it gets it's edge retention from having a bunch of very expensive alloys like vanadium rather than greater amounts of carbon. Steel is chemistry where things interact with each other making it hard to make simple definitive statements of fact.

Another example of how steel works is if you take some 1060 it does not get hard enough to provide good edge holding. One way of getting that edge better would be to add more carbon like 1095 but after a certain point more carbon makes the steel brittle and reduces toughness(about70)so instead of adding carbon you could add a pinch of chromium not nearly enough to make it stainless but which gives it a hardness kick. That steel is 5160 ,the 51 is the chromium and the 60 indicates the
carbon.

Even if 2 blades are identical ,sharpened to the same geometry they can cut completely differently if they are sharpened with different grits. Just because a very fine grit is better for pushcutting wood does not mean it is the best for everything. There was just an interesting article in one of the knife mags about how dock workers in alaska who cut fish all day use a very coarse diamond hone that would normally only be used to set a bevel in order to give their blades a toothy almost miniserrated edge.

It sure would be silly to drop SR101 now that even other companies are starting to realize it's value. Spyderco recently released their Mule knife in 52100 in order to test the abilities of the steel. I compared mine to the very similar Strider ED in S30V and the 52100 took a sharper edge that cut better but did not hold it quite as long. Thye Mule is a fantastic knife though ,one of my favourites ever.

this is why sr101 should not be retired...

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=648718


i know i know let sleeping dogs lay! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

man you did some digging for this thread!

+1 on that!!!

Thank you for this thread Bruce. I agree, and personally i dont think that SR77 will EVER go anywhere regarding SY knives. It is the steel they built their company upon and it has earned a toughness and durability reputation that is on par with INFI and as tough - for much cheaper. (its a wonder SY isnt more popular than Busse)

I was seeing all this SR101 praise in the other comp thread and thought everyone was leaning that way but im very glad to see the SR77 getting the love it deserves. IMO, it is the best all around steel. ALL things considered. When I have the chance to buy a knife from SY, I always make sure that its in SR77 first, then take into effect the size, thickness, application use, etc.

Dan aint getting rid of SR77. its too [censored] good a steel.

BEST STEEL FOR ME = SR77!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

SR101 is a kick [censored] steel and it's great to see Dan using it on his fine designs.IMO SR77 should be kicked into the corner of the workshop and left there till Dan decides to make the Scrapyard Axe !!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I think that would be great.

Maybe the testers could say that the regulator should be made in sr77?
idk if that would effect it if Dan makes another run, but I think the regulator does kind of begged to be in sr77... and it would help with the cost.
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True, I think sr101 is great for the regulator, just seems that sr77 fits that style of knife.

well, the SWAMP boys have made an appearance on the Yard <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/loopy.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/paperbag.gif" alt="" />


SR77 > SR101 <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

sorry pitman and imaginejf, i had to do that <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

seriously though. I think Dan should keep SR77 as his flagship steel and i dont think he will ever abandon it. But why not keep SR101 laying around to do special runs with. Hell, some of the Swampies love it and some DAWGS do too. run a S knife in SR101 from time to time and keep the vast majority of other SY knives in SR77. thats my 3 cents. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

I have a large Ranger custom Trench Khuk made out of 77 and it sits under the saet of my rig. 77 is great - but I do like many other steels like 101-5160-ATS-D2 etc.Probably my favorite is 3V and I am having a custom made out of it right now that is .269 that is a butt kicker. Jimmie actually has porno names for this one as is only way to describe this pup <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />. The thing is awesome.Anybody else like 3 V <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

No, it should not.

I also, would like to see lots of sr101 released by Dan!
not to say that I don't like sr77... but sr101 just fits a broader range of categories for knives.
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I know I am still a pound puppy, which I am kind of embarrassed about, but SR-77 definitely seems like the soul of Scrap Yard. I would just love to see the new Regulator Bowie in SR-77. A .33'' thick SR-77 bowie would be nearly indestructible!

Really? My understanding was that SR-77 was more resistant to corrosion, and was less malleable. Is that incorrect Bruce?

True indeed! I couldn't believe the video of the new Swamp Rat Waki. That dude chopped down a tree, and then showed the knife still slicing through paper like a razor blade...awesome stuff!

No- Both steels are good and I like having some choice. It seems to me that both are good steels and each has its strong points be it strength, toughness, corrosion resistance or price. I don't think either should go away and since SY and SR have reputations built on these two steels, I don't see either disappearing anytime soon. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

I think the Regulator in 101 was a really great idea and agree with Bruce here. The thing is a tank <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />!! Plus-being a fatty there is no way in hell you are going to break it.If you don't believe this read the thread Bruce quotes on the famous Camp Tramp <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />!! The edge retention is supierior to 77 and this blade looks to be another winner. I'll take one in each color PLEASE <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crossfingers.gif" alt="" />

Retired!?@! This country can no longer afford social security.
SR-101 is going to have to work till it dies like the rest of us! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

Excluding some of the 'privileged' Dogs on this forum, of course. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

I could give a dogs biscuit about which steel has better corrosion protection. I oil my blades after every use and sometimes during. Corrosion is NOT an issue, ever. Give me edge retention, blade strength, and ease of sharpening.

Easy there Art- you youngins need our " disposable" income <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

wow i never knew id dig up all this! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> i figured the waki vid would pretty much end the topic question.

personally no steel except for 440A should be retired!

sr77 vs sr101.....is like comparing a phillips and a flat head....both are screwdrivers....just a bit different for different jobs.

wheres the wakis?!

I personal think ALL steels should be thrown into a vat, melted, folded over and over say about 50,000 times, ground, heat treated and adorned with RES-C

good call man... i hadnt thought of it this way!

I got my hands on some good looking SR77 today - can't wait to put it to the test! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

And we're right back to your personal choice of TP, Bob. lol:

ok im BTT'n this thread....

seed i enjoy your diehardness of sr-77 but this sr101 looks to have similar lateral strength as sr77...

To answer the original question; not just no, but HELL NO!!! Are you CRAZY?!!!? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />