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Re: What Combat Knives are the US & UK troops usin [Re: Sharp] #231743 07/16/08 08:12 PM
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Yes, a test would be interesting......but no "concrete blocks"! I have used this knife a lot but was suprised to learn that the Outfitter line was one of the last series of knives Frank worked on before passing away. This is I am told reflecting in a marked increase in value for these knives and as many will vouch for....in any Army if it is not nailed down everything can go missing....and I would very much mourn it's loss would that to happen.

I have lost my original Kukri and an early Blackjack Maurader to this phenomenon.....Lord knows who has them now....I doubt anyone from my unit but they both went whilst on joint training operations...so I have now lined up alternative options for my kit which will not be irreplaceable or feel like part of my cherished possessions have been knicked!


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This is'nt my knife but here is a pic of the Maurader I carried for a number of years

[Linked Image from i343.photobucket.com]

The early Mauraders had a very good heat treatment which helped the 440C keep a good edge.....they were'nt made for long....I hear the new Blackjacks are not really the same company....the name was bought as I understand after the original company folded?


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The Rosarms are mirror finished on the flats and satin on the bevels. The mirror
finish is the best I have ever seen on a production and even a lot of custom knives.

If you think the .50 Mac is nice you haven't seen their new custom made sniper rifle in .338 Lapua. Check out Prairie gun works who makes it.

I think Canadian soldiers used a lot of UK and US kit in WW2 so the kukuri is normal. The snipers had a lot of leewayon kit as well.

We have good handguns as well. I am a big fan of the High Power but I have small hands so I would be issued a Sig which is the alternative for those who find the double stack UP to large. It would be nice if they had some helicopters though so they would not be so vulnerable at checkpoints.

What does your birchbark handle feel like Shaolin.
I may pick up a Fiox2 with the birch handle for myself.


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Re: What Combat Knives are the US & UK troops usin [Re: Sharp] #231746 07/16/08 10:37 PM
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Nice knife, It would be interesting to see a comparison of that with one the Busse Knives.

An CT or YG would an interesting test.

Even a S6 or SR Mini Uncle Mojo.


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The Rosarms are mirror finished on the flats and satin on the bevels.

What does your birchbark handle feel like Shaolin.
I may pick up a Fiox2 with the birch handle for myself.

What is the Stalker, flats or bevels? I really like the handle, kinda grippy, smooth, but I have not used it yet either, soon. Looks wise it is awesome, everyone I've shown it to loves it. Never heard/seen the Fiox2 yet.


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Re: What Combat Knives are the US & UK troops usin [Re: Shaolin] #231748 07/17/08 05:14 AM
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Their are flats and bevels on most knives. The bevels are the part that slopes and the flats are the part that is not sloped. My Companion 3 barely had any flats so it was mostly satin while the baby had flats big enough to see your whole face in the reflection. Rosarms is one of the only companies that I have seen that has a mirror polish good enough to see a reflection with no distortion. Satin is a finish like the Scrapyard LE's. Mirror finish is also the best for preventing rust because the steels pores are closed. A media blasted finish is the opposite.

I love your taste in knives Steelfan. That old ATS-34 and the Benchmade are awesome. Blackjack make excellent cheaper knives now. I heard good things about Entrek. 440C is one of my favorite steels and takes a fantastic mirror polish. S30V is almost impossible to polish.

You should have a better sheath made if you want to carry your ATS-34 knife although i would be to afraid to lose it. Rainwalker and On Scene Tactical are 2 of my favorite sheath guys.


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Unsub, thanks for the compliment! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Your taste is equally impressive!

On the subject of Entrek,here are the two knives I went for as potential replacements for the Benchmade and Outfitter which due to sentimentality I was considering retiring so they would stay safe.... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> but not necessarily living in one!

The first Entrek is similar to the Marauder but perhaps a better blade design. It retains the "bolo" shape so chopping is excellent but has a limited clip edge so that batoning does not damage the baton or the knife.

The Destroyer
[Linked Image from i343.photobucket.com]

and the Badger
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I thought I would go for a fixed small blade which I can carry inverted on my webbing on the left shoulder. The fixed blade works easier for cleaning and for food prep and does not gather muck inside the frame like a liner lock which needs to be dismantled to clean effectively. The Badger you can just sterilise in boiled water.

The Destroyer took me a day to re-grind the edge to 25 degrees....the Badger was much quicker....I hear a lot about people putting convex edges on chopper knives but in the field you don't have a ready supply of wet and dry paper to put over a cut-down mouse computer board to get that "curved" appleseed effect. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/sad.gif" alt="" /> You have to keep it simple and go for a straight grind.

Got to agree as well with the PGW Timberwolf .338 being a great rifle. It would be my choice if we could pick one!

Edited to add that I have just noticed the B.O.L.O.S. post by Horn Dog and fully support this for a Bolo Scrapper.....I really like using this type of blade.....they are just that bit easier and a bit more versatile than a Kukri for my money's worth....

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While on the topic of Bolo's and Kukri's here is the Kukri I got to replace my long term Army issue....both the Enterek and CS Kukri have not seen much use but I have used the Army issue and Maurader for years prior to the involuntary change of hands.....still my house insurance cover turned out to be pretty good and I got these as replacements <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Cold Steel Kukri
[Linked Image from i343.photobucket.com]

I have been re-profiling the edge on this making it finer towards the hilt for wood cutting/tool making ( pegs/V cuts etc ) and this is a bit of a labour of love. The thickness of the blade means a lot of removal is needed....

The size and weight of this is bigger than the Army issue and it's chopping ability is as good as my Gransfors Woodsman. They do a San Mai version but it is hugely more expensive....I doubt the extra money would be reflected in comparable increase in performance! That would be hard to do!


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Re: What Combat Knives are the US & UK troops usin [Re: Steel Fan] #231751 07/17/08 07:32 PM
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This is quite an interesting question for me and in a word the UK troops are limited usually as to availability....affordability....and peer pressure/troop commander views on the subject.

I started back in the late Falklands...a war embodying the poor kit being issued and remembered by many as the trench foot epidemic....plastic bags over issued boots....taking boots off the Argentinian soldiers and using their FAL's which had a full auto ability which the SLR did not. A handy feature in a trench clearance. If we could not get the "boots" right...imagine what the position was like on knives.

Traditionally you got a Sheffield made slip joint sheep's foot pen knife with a Marlin Spike....the SLR Bayonet and if you had your wits about you you took up the chance to get a Martindale Golok....ignored by many as we were not going to the jungle....but the best bit of knife kit we had....with one exception.

If you were in the know you could wangle an Army issue Kukri...I was initially with the Light Infantry whose depot in Winchester was adjacent to the Gurka's depot...I got one and by far these were the best knives you could get your hands on. Foget Fairbairn Sykes knives. Stored but never issued. The Kukri however was much better at hand to hand. When H Jones got killed leading the Para's up one side of Tumbledown mountain in a full fire fight.....the attack on the adjacent side lead by Gurka's was rumoured to be a walk in the park ( got to say I was not there on that one ). The Argie's had spoted the Gurka's coming up the hill with NV and Kukri's held in their teeth. That was enough for them....or so legend has it. I have read the sticky about not posting stuff which might be "horrific" so all I will say is the Agrie's had the right idea bugging out of there. There is nothing more effective than a Gurka in CQB mode with a Kukri.....it is like Kipling tells it in his poem - "IF" - "if you can keep your head about you when all around you poeple are losing theirs"....

After the Falklands every NCO with either the Falklands on their CV or a Jungle School course or secondment to our SF's and the SF guys themselves...they all went for a Kukri. They still do.

Our pay is such that our private soldiers are getting less than traffic warden's pay and putting their lives on the line. Spare cash goes on a Swiss Army knife or more recently a Leatherman. Some might splash out on a good lock knife. Very popular because once you get issued your webbing the space available is limited if you want to be able to crawl with no frontal obstruction and a lock knife easily goes in your smock. A kukri usually gets carried round the back and wedged between your belt and a hippo pad if you buy one.

After the Falklands kit got a lot better and cash freed up. I remember buying Danner boots with a Gortex lining, a Gortex bivi bag from Survival Aids, a Gortex cagoule from Berghaus and having all this on my credit card for months.This stuff is all issued now.

What would be incredibly popular allowing for the value for money aspect would be CGDM's or DCDM's if we could get a hold of them. Cold Steel knives and Fallkniven are much more available over here. If you work as a Sniper you need a larger belt knife for hide construction etc..so CGDF's would also be popular. These are all affordable but not available. I am home at present waiting to go back to work and for days I have been glued to the Busse Trade Forum trying to pick up a CGDM and CGDF. I really wanted a pair of these! I managed a DCDM but no CGDF....ended up spending more than I wanted to and went for a FFBM. Smaller fixed blade knives are not popular however if you have to carry a bayonet in the British Forces.....sort of seen as duplication.....hence the "tactical lock knives"...but Snipers don't have to carry these and basically can carry what they like for field preperation...the Leatherman secaturs are popular as well.

I'm pretty familiar with the British kit.
I own several pairs of the crappy leaking boots from the Falk.
I own alot of parkas and pants, tons of M58 webbing.
I even have a nylon M58, the ones that would losen up on you real quick.
I hike and backpack in soldier(windows <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />) 95 pants and a ripstop sas windproof.
Heck, on a cold morning you can even catch me laying around in a Mao suit even though i look like an idiot.

I bet alot of British soldiers would buy a better kit if they didn't fear looking like a walt.


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If that is the CarbonV version of the CS Kukuri I prefer it to SanMai anyway.
I reprofile almost all my knives as well to flat grinds. It takes forever but the result is worth it. I also worked with Rainwalker(who did 99.99% of the work)to make a YKCG sheath that had an attachment for the clip of tekloc on both the regular spot and the blade tip so it could be worn upside sown on my packs strap.

Great minds think alike and I guess so do ours.


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The new non-San Mai CS Kukris are SK-5, a good grade of cutlery steel that early SOGs were made of. The kukri is an ancient and proven design. As for the Entrek Deystroyer, mine has been a huge disappointment. I'll take any medium size Scrapper, Swamp Rat, or Busse over it any day.


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I admit it I am a total Walt. I even have body armour<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


UK to American translation of the word "Walt" is for Walter Mitty who was a dreamer from a book. It refers to people who dress up like soldiers.
There are even various levels of "Walthood" with the least waltish being the musket era renactors then to the paintabll walts and finally the guy in the pub who was the second man on the balcony in the Iranian embassy siege.

My walthood is getting totally out of hand. I wear a PASGT helmet on my motorbike.
I worked in an army surplus store so I have lots of military gear. I wear the old Canadian issue green combat pants a LOT. They are the worlds greatest pants though. Indestructible ,comfy ,they dry in seconds and they are a muted green colour rather than camo so they are not as Walty looking.

I am sad to hear about Entrek I had high hopes for them. I trust your judgement though Vic <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

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