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Re: What Combat Knives are the US & UK troops usin [Re: Unsub] #231755 07/17/08 10:58 PM
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Hi Unsub,yes mine is a Carbon V model....had it a while but took a while to get round to re-profiling it. Ditto with the Enterek.....I sort of trust the Vought knife so was in no hurry to replace it. But equally I was hunting round for something similar and got put onto the Busse knives. That's how I came here....

HD what disappoints with the Enterek? I hope to have the FFBM I bought in a few days which should cover off all "performance" bases.....but would be interested in your experience with the Enterek.

macgregor, our use of the word "Walt" means people who are not in the forces going around dressed like they are or pretending to be....but I know what you mean.....even if you are in the Forces ....if you dress in kit that is better than the issued kit you have to expect some mickey taking....but not much. The equipment now though is pretty good. I got to agree with you though ....forinstance lock knives are probably much more popular with us because big knives on your belt kit attract attention and usually a good ribbing. However, I am too old to care now and have been out of the regular side a while so I am not exposed to it as much either. I cover our TA side of my regiment although as recently seen in the news the TA is rotating to Iraq and Afghanistan all the time now. Our TA is like your National Guard?

Here is a pic which I have which has been blacked on the faces but you can imagine that if you are on exercises dressed like a bog monster you will get a few jokes at your expense.
[Linked Image from i343.photobucket.com]


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Re: What Combat Knives are the US & UK troops usin [Re: Steel Fan] #231756 07/17/08 11:11 PM
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Nice, I wish I could have a L96.
Geuss I'm a bit of a walt.

Btw, the DPM light pants and the ripstop DPM field jacket are the best examples of military clothing I have ever seen.
It is the only uniform I havent popped a buton off.
My paintball team wears DPM uniforms.
You are very lucky to wear it with your job.

What do you do anyways.
The berets are making me think BPR.


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Re: What Combat Knives are the US & UK troops usin [Re: macgregor] #231757 07/18/08 12:21 AM
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Hi mac,

Listen, I am as much of a gear freak as anyone....so count me in with you all.
I don't want to go into my job side of things....probably best not as Ops Sec is seen as important. The photo is fine as it has been published before. It sort of came out when I went into rant mode about poor kit. It is shocking how things don't change....albeit now it is more a case of shortages rather than it not being adopted. Anyway....rant over.

Got to say that I have all sorts of kit from other Armies which I take great pleasure in wearing because partly it was often given or exchanged and has a good "kudos" value. Some things like swapping T Shirts is very common and I rate my selection as one of the best! I particularly like the former Eastern block forces as they have no inhibitions on P.C. aspects for their T Shirts. When you have para-military police going out down the Bar for a few beers after work and see the T Shirts with a huge .50 cal on it saying "700.
grains of instant justice"...you have to laugh at how they get away with it.

Here are a couple of knives which I have had all sorts of trade offers for if I bring them away with me. To be fair I often only take them incase I ever see something I would like to trade for.....these are not easily replaced but you can get a few of them if you try.

[Linked Image from i343.photobucket.com]

What do you all make of these....anyone able to give any info.....as a help the black one has been in storage for some time?


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Re: What Combat Knives are the US & UK troops usin [Re: Steel Fan] #231758 07/18/08 12:26 AM
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Don't know anything about them, but they are cool looking, matching pair, lol


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Re: What Combat Knives are the US & UK troops usin [Re: Steel Fan] #231759 07/18/08 12:26 AM
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...HD what disappoints with the Enterek? I hope to have the FFBM I bought in a few days which should cover off all "performance" bases.....but would be interested in your experience with the Enterek...

Let's put it this way, SF, any of my Busse-made mid-sized knives cut and chop better, including the Scrapper 6. The Entrek looks like it could really chop with that forward weighted bolo blade, but it doesn't. It is a little better since I reprofiled the edge, but still not that good. Also, the handle is a bit small for a chopper. Try a Chopweiler or Camp Tramp once and you'll understand.
Now the CS Kukri you have, that will chop. I have one too, with the satin finish. The FFBM is one heck of a knife. A bit heavy for a paratrooper's kit, but a great chopper.


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Re: What Combat Knives are the US & UK troops usin [Re: Horn Dog] #231760 07/18/08 12:50 AM
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Thanks for the insight HD.....there are so many Busse kin knives it is hard to keep track of them. I will have to check out the two you mention. I don't think I have seen a Camp Tramp....I have come across Chopweiler but don't have a mental picture of it yet.

The weight of the FFBM should be just slightly less than the CS Kukri as far as I know from posts giving the weight of the FFBM....but agree I might find a lighter knife a benefit. I will check out the names you have given. The coffers are a bit low though having gone for a FFBM.

Shoalin, the black FS is said by the guy who gets them for me to be a 1950's knife commissioned for the Navy and made by Nowells of Sheffield. The tan version was commissioned by our SF for the first Gulf War and has a bespoke finish.....made by Nowells again but I am not knowledgeable on these. I am keen to know more if anyone on here is a bit of an expert.


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Re: What Combat Knives are the US & UK troops usin [Re: Steel Fan] #231761 07/18/08 12:57 AM
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The standard FBM isn't so heavy, but the Fatty, the FFBM weighs nearly two pounds. I like the new Busse Sarsquatch, though it is more of a camp knife than a weapon. The Hell Razor looks like a combat knife.


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Re: What Combat Knives are the US & UK troops usin [Re: Horn Dog] #231762 07/18/08 01:50 AM
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Here are a couple of the nicest knives ever in my meagre collection.
The fat one is a older Busse the classic SH-E and the skinny one is the best of all the FS dagger s the WW2 second pattern MOD model. Some people like the first pattern but the second is simpler and better balanced. The ringed handle ones are a good knife but no where near as well balanced and grippy as the first and second pattern.
[Linked Image from img2.putfile.com]

Here is a great photo of the FS in it's proper use. Things have gotten so bad in UK society that even discussing the historical use of the FS or even the training which is one of the most important parts of British history is not allowed on the British blades site.
[Linked Image from img2.putfile.com]

If you think you get ribbing for the gillie suit imagine what you would get wearing this.
[Linked Image from img2.putfile.com]

I have the SMLE though.

Here is a great military knife. I used to have a great write up by the owner about how Swamprat made the knife special for the Canadian combat engineers but Putfile erased it.<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbdn.gif" alt="" />
[Linked Image from img2.putfile.com]
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Re: What Combat Knives are the US & UK troops usin [Re: Unsub] #231763 07/18/08 02:23 AM
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Hi Unsub and HD,

LOL about the kilt....I bet that FS you have is worth a pretty penny....keep it safe...

I have had the chance to absorb some of the Busse kin posts and information. I came onto this forum because of my thoughts that the SY handle material would be the best for comfort in a chopper.....that the prices were reasonable although the after market scarcity does add a premium....and that of the knives I know of ( got to admit to not having a comprehensive knowledge of them all )the one that seems to be the best for me is the Dogfather LE or CG.

I now know that the LE is lighter and slightly thinner and has a better finish than the CG model and would be the best choice save that the satin finish seems on some models pictured here to be a bit of a "glare" or "shine" giveaway for military use. I would be interested to know whether you can darken this and if so how? I don't know much about the steel used for the DFLE....how does this compare to the standard steels and also to Infi? Lastly, I saw in another post that one of the moderators "Cold One" showed some drawings for a Busse Kukri....has there been any further info on this? Or on a Bolo or Kukri from SY?

Any help on these points or on your views as to the DFLE v's DFCG would be most welcome.

I would like to make a decision soon on whether to buy another knife....perhaps after the FFBM arrives.....then once I have done this I need to get off this computer as it is easy to see how "searching" for a knife can become a compulsive addiction. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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Re: What Combat Knives are the US & UK troops usin [Re: Steel Fan] #231764 07/18/08 03:23 AM
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I had an older CS Kukri w/ leather sheath, but I sold it for more Rats. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

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I don't think I have seen a Camp Tramp.

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Hi Unsub and HD,

LOL about the kilt....I bet that FS you have is worth a pretty penny....keep it safe...

I have had the chance to absorb some of the Busse kin posts and information. I came onto this forum because of my thoughts that the SY handle material would be the best for comfort in a chopper.....that the prices were reasonable although the after market scarcity does add a premium....and that of the knives I know of ( got to admit to not having a comprehensive knowledge of them all )the one that seems to be the best for me is the Dogfather LE or CG.

I now know that the LE is lighter and slightly thinner and has a better finish than the CG model and would be the best choice save that the satin finish seems on some models pictured here to be a bit of a "glare" or "shine" giveaway for military use. I would be interested to know whether you can darken this and if so how? I don't know much about the steel used for the DFLE....how does this compare to the standard steels and also to Infi? Lastly, I saw in another post that one of the moderators "Cold One" showed some drawings for a Busse Kukri....has there been any further info on this? Or on a Bolo or Kukri from SY?

Any help on these points or on your views as to the DFLE v's DFCG would be most welcome.

I would like to make a decision soon on whether to buy another knife....perhaps after the FFBM arrives.....then once I have done this I need to get off this computer as it is easy to see how "searching" for a knife can become a compulsive addiction. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Hey Bro, if all else fails ask Dan and Patti to do a knife for your unit.
They do special requests for the military all the time, like tan knives and the serrated MOD7.
They will take care of you then sell the overruns to us. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


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The DFLE is in my humble opinion loads better than the DFCG and the satin means any scratches can be polished out. If glare is an isse the S9 would be near perfect. It has not been made yet but it is 1 inch shorter than the DFLE but is CG coated model that is also flat ground. It should be much cheaper than a secondary market DFLE as well.

My favourite Sabre ground knife is the HookGuard. It is almost as good a chopper as the DFCG because of the forward weight but is 3 inches shorter. It is cheap on the secondary market and that 3 inches less can make a big difference in getting in and out of vehicles etc. It was Scrapyards best fighter until the DFLE.

The FS was a bit pricey but they are a bit cheaper in Canada and I have wanted one for a long time. Ever since I was in grade 7 and learning about WW2 and saw one in the text book. I specifically wanted a second pattern(not a first) and blued not polished because it is the REAL commando knife. The first patterns mostly went to officers and people involved in making it while the second pattern equiped the OSS and other commando units. Then everyone in the army wanted one so they made the third pattern but changed the design to make them faster and cheaper primarily switching to a proper knurled epee grip to the awful ringed grip which made the knife turn in your hand.

The first and second pattern are really custom knives made by individual craftsmen. The balance is incredible. The point is a needle. They got a rep for fragility when the regular troops got a hold of them and tried to open their soup with them like KBars. These are like a scalpel. The blade is also a zero edge and very sharp especially considering who poor daggers geometry are for edges.

Here is a WW1 trench modified Ross ,a modern Canadian C7 and the FS. Look how similar the C7 is but how much wider the blade is.
[Linked Image from img2.putfile.com]


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