So finally Cloak and I have acquired a good assortment of medium sized fix blades to test.

We finally finished the test to today.

The test is broken down in to 2 categories: Use and Comfort.

Then those two categories are broken down into several sub categories: fuzz/curl making, batonning, chopping, and drilling.

Ratings will be given to comfort during all these task. This is a very limited view as we are only gauging initial comfort during use. We are not measuring how comfortable the knife is after prolong use.

This is a simple test that includes some of the most vital tasks for survival/bushcraft. Of course, it is not limited to just these four.

So on to the test.



(note: not all of these have pictures of the individual knives and task.)

So here are the contestants.



RC-4
DMDC
LMF II
SOG
YKLE
Nimravus
RMD

For refreshments, we had the unfortunate happening that we are only 17, and thus drinks were non-alcoholic. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />



Fuzz/curl Making

This is how the curls were made. The basic set-up is a piece of wood secured under my quads and behind the knee joint. The curls were made with one hand choked up on the handle and one knife on the spine near the tip or mid blade.



RC-4: Produced fine curls with little loss of curls. The choil on this was a bit too small to be helpful.



DMDC: Almost as fine curls as RC-4, however there was a little more loss of curls due to higher grind and thicker blade. The choil works well for this task.



LMF-II: Very coarse curls with plain edge (as if they were about to break), quite a good amount of curls lost. Serrated edge created very fat thick cuts, no loss. The large handle was comfortable for slicing. The knife was not sharp and does not take a good edge.

Plain portion



Serrated Portion



SOG: Decent curls with plain edge, but with some loss of curls. Better curls with the serrated edge, very little loss, but still not as good as the DMDC or RC-4. Handles were extremely uncomfortable

Left is plain portion, right is serrated portion.



YKLE: Very good curls that rolled up very tightly, probably due to this being the sharpest knife. (thanks to Horn Dog). The knife was not this sharp from the factory. Little curls were lost. The Paracord handles created more hotspots than no paracord.



Nimravus: Very thin blade allowed for some long thin curls that held very well. Not as tightly bound as the YK but slices effortlessly. Probably the best curls for burning. Very little loss of curls. This knife is the most similar to a Scandinavian-ground bushcraft knife, and is probably the best slicer of the bunch.

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RMD: Curls very similar to Nimravus, however, harder time pushing knife through the wood. There was definitely some loss of curls. This knife was not as sharp as others like the RC-4, but was about as sharp as it came from the factory.

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Batonning

The batonning was done while kneeling.

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Here are some action shots.

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RC-4: The new crinkle coat smoothes quickly. The knife splits slowly but the handle is very comfortable, but a bit short.

DMDC: With the double cut finish, you don’t need to worry about coating loss. The knife splits well but the RES-C handles were not very comfortable for this task. Because the handles were too short, the thick hilt bashed into my palm. Very secure though, no slippage

LMF-II: The saber grind on this knife helped to make it the best batonner. The saber grind splits faster because of the higher grind angle and the reduced friction on the wood. The very long handle on this knife helped to keep the blade perpendicular to the wood. The rubber handles were comfortable, but might blister after long use. Serration teeth might also be damaged after long use.

SOG: Tied for worst in this category, the SOG was inferior in every regard. The knife split slowly and the checked handles rip up your palm. Furthermore, the swedge destroys your batoning log much more quickly than other knives. Same serration tip concerns as LMF.

The baton from the SOG.

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The baton from other knife use.

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(baton made from oak)

YKLE: This knife experienced the same problems as DMDC in terms of hilt discomfort. The knife was slightly too thick to work as well as the others, and also too short for most batonning. The paracord produced hot spots and did not help for this task.

Nimravus: Also tied for worst in this group, the Nimravus’ textured Aluminum handles also ripped up the handles. Also, the tang is not designed to be flush with the handles (it’s wider than the slabs), similar to the Chris Reeve Green Beret knife. This protruding tang was very comfortable and would absolutely wreck your hand. The knife was also too thin to split the wood quickly

RMD: Nearly as quick as the LMF, the saber grind zips through the wood. The long handle prevents the hilt issues that occurred with the RES-C handles. This is the second best knife in this category.

Chopping

RC-4: Created shallow bites but was very comfortable

DMDC: Created deep bites but the end of the handle caused extreme abrasion with the pinky, quickly creating the so-called “Busse Pinky”. After prolong use, the handles would get uncomfortable

LMF-II: The bites on this knife was either as deep as the DMDC or slightly deeper. Not too bad of a chopper. The handles would also have the same problem as the Res-C.

SOG: Most likely the worst chopper of the knives tested. Very shallow bites were created and the handles were extremely uncomfortable. The checkering digs very deep into the hands and an occasional slip caused the areas of the hand to sting. This was also the lightest knife.

YKLE: The created some medium bites. Not as good as the DMDC but not as bad as the RC-4. The nub at the bottom of the end of the handle created the same problem as the DMDC. The paracord handle was actually slightly more comfortable.

Nimravus: Almost as bad as the SOG in chopping. Very shallow bites along with deep bidirectional pattering of the aluminum handles make this one of the poorer choppers.

RMD: Created medium-deep bits. About as good as the knife was expected to perform.

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The best choppers were the LMF II and the DMDC.

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Drilling

RC-4: The knife worked fairly well with this, but the chunk of exposed steel at the butt of the knife made downward pressure uncomfortable.

DMDC: This tip created a large-bore hole and drilled fairly deeply. Because the handles had a cylindrical cross-section, the knife turned easier in the hand. However, the friction/stickiness of the RES-C would probably become uncomfortable over time.

LMF-II: The bites generated by this knife were almost as good as the DMDC, but the angular skull-crusher / hammer on the butt of the knife made it very difficult to drill with

SOG: For what its worth, this knife was our best drill – the rounded, hard plastic butt turned easily and comfortably in the hand. This still doesn’t make up for its abysmal failure in almost all other areas though. All the same, its drilling abilities are proof of the knife’s excellent penetration, but we would say that the Nimravus would be a better fighter.

YKLE: No different from the DMDC in terms of comfort, but the paracord did make this more comfortable. Given the fat point, this knife still drilled well and the wide belly made for a more even hole.

Nimravus: Because the knife would possibly lose its thin tip during this test, we didn’t attempt it. However, the pointed butt would probably be uncomfortable for drilling.

RMD: This knife fared slightly better than the RD-4, but still suffered the same issues with uncomfortable exposed metal on the butt.

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The best drillers were the DMDC and the SOG

Close up of DMDC

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Close up of SOG

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Comfort

Again, remember this is comfort from initial use. After one task is complete with one knife, the knife is swapped for another knife. The is not comfort from all the test with one knife all at once. With this said, the test after the first test might actually have a lower rating.

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Oh and I forgot to mention. Out of all the knives that we tested, we still believe the RMD is the best all rounder. It accomplished each of the four task with no trouble and decently.

Again, many say this is one of the best knife from the Busse Line, and we must concur.

NIIIICE TEST <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /><img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

Very nice informative test, thanks.

Sweet test,looks like the Ontario is giving Scrap Yard a run for the money!

Peace.

Awesome tests with some great info.

So there is no confusion, the RC-4 is not made by Ontario. It is the combination of RAT Cutlery and Rowen. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Excellent comparison, Sharp. The RMD is my first choice among those knives, too.

Sweet, Nice job guys.

Brilliant test once again, love the graph idea....great stuff !!!!

Thanks everyone for the comments.

I also forgot, for the people who have gotten a DMDC: it is a great knife that begs to be used after a little reprofiling. For a knife that size, it chops well, batons well, and after the reprofiling, it should curl like crazy.

thanks for taking a look at our work. While we weren't exactly "surprised" by most of the test results, there are a few things I should mention.

-these are our initial impressions. A lot of things would change if we, say, used each knife for an hour straight. i.e. while the LMF was initially comfortable and effective, I know from experience that it causes blisters and dulls quickly.

-the wood used was red oak, which I've found is very good for making curls. So, the differences in that were less dramatic

-there are areas what we couldn't test, such as toughness and tip strength. Because we love our knives dearly, there is really no way to accurately test these things without risking damage.

I plan to have my RMD, RC-4, and DMDC as my main users

Sharp, again, thanks for uploading the pics-- you know how much I hate waiting for photo bucket.