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Re: Thick knives are out, thin is in !!! [Re: MRpink] #233942 07/17/08 08:25 PM
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My most carried knife is my DMCG so obviously I am a fan of thick heavy duty knives, however, I would be keen to see the Yard make a Nessie type knife outta 1/8" !!!

Re: Thick knives are out, thin is in !!! [Re: pitman] #233943 07/17/08 09:21 PM
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I really liked Implumes post even though he pointed out a mistake I made.
However most of the Rosarms knives we get here are not made according to that weird Soviet law.


This reminds me of the "any knife over 4 inches is useless in the bush" argument.
I often use the Hudson bay knife as an example of a very useful big knife.
If the fur traders did not absolutly need a piece of equipment especially a heavy one they left it behind because there were long stretches were the had to portage
(carry everything in the canoe) from one waterway to another.
Here are 2 real Hudson Bay knives found near my town on the North Saskatchewan river which was the interstate of the fur trade.
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I also have a old style butcher knife of the type used in the fur trade. It is a very soft carbon steel that does not hold an edge worth a crap but can be sharpened very easily. I can't seem to find the picture though.

Here is a great photo of a real mohawk trade knife that has been decorated. It is a good example of the thin bladed knives that were popular. Another reason the thin blades were popular besides economics's was their light weight both for the owner who wore it on the belt and the trader who had to carry it into the bush. The Green River knives are a great example as well.
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A Tomahawk is not as good a chopper as an axe or hatchet and a lot of people don't understand them but their real advantage it how light they are. For the weight they can do a tremendous amount of work. I still like the Rodgers Rangers
guide as to gear. A rifle ,60 rounds of of ball and powder ,a belt knife and a hawk. I often carry the same gear now although my ball and powder are in a cartridge ,my knife is an SS4 and my Hawk was made in China.

Here is a very nice hawk made the same way as in the past.
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Re: Thick knives are out, thin is in !!! [Re: Unsub] #233944 07/17/08 10:09 PM
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I like my CS Trail Hawk, cheap, but decent. If anything happens to it, I will buy something better, no regrets.


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Re: Thick knives are out, thin is in !!! [Re: Shaolin] #233945 07/17/08 11:22 PM
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I like the Cold Steel frontier hawk but when i throw it it doesn't stick very well because it is too thick , sorta fits this post i guess.


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Re: Thick knives are out, thin is in !!! [Re: meatcutter] #233946 07/17/08 11:38 PM
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I tried throwing my Trail Hawk, and I could not make it stick either, lol I guess I need to take some classes, lol


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Re: Thick knives are out, thin is in !!! [Re: Shaolin] #233947 07/17/08 11:48 PM
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I've thrown other hawks before but they all had thin heads on them.


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Re: Thick knives are out, thin is in !!! [Re: meatcutter] #233948 07/18/08 12:03 AM
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Excellent post Implume...I always learn something new here.

Re: Thick knives are out, thin is in !!! [Re: RajunCajun] #233949 07/18/08 12:12 AM
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This has been a discussion among bladeusers for years man!


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Re: Thick knives are out, thin is in !!! [Re: meatcutter] #233950 07/18/08 01:53 AM
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I have a Norse hawk that throws OK. I like it much better now that i stripped the awful paint and blued it and fixed the edge.


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Re: Thick knives are out, thin is in !!! [Re: thesurefire] #233951 07/18/08 03:00 AM
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simple geometry is right; the thicker the blade the less efficient it is at cutting.

The actual edge is a far bigger factor when determining knife performance then the thickness of the blade. You could put a 10 degree edge on a dogfather, and it would cut far better then a thinner knife with a thicker edge.

not necessarily on that first one.
It's all about the way it's ground/geometry.

and their IS something between the spine and edge of a knife you know. (not directing that towards you, just saying it in general)
thickness isn't the only consideration, and neither is the very edge.
a DF could have a 10 degree edge and be outsliced by a knife of the same thickness with say a 15-20 degree edge.

just throwing that out there.
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Re: Thick knives are out, thin is in !!! [Re: eatingmuchface] #233952 07/18/08 03:28 AM
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Jon, I disagree, It's not ALL about what grind is has, I think In most cases it's more about the edge.

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Re: Thick knives are out, thin is in !!! [Re: BIG footed NICK] #233953 07/18/08 04:58 AM
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It depends what you are cutting. Something very thin is only going to affect the very edge so it won't matter if it is an obtuse grind with a sharp edge but if you try to cut your way through thicker material it starts having a big impact.


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