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Re: New found love for CAMPING. (equipment talk) [Re: reconseed] #239848 09/07/08 02:12 AM
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Either company for $300.


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Re: New found love for CAMPING. (equipment talk) [Re: Shaolin] #239849 09/07/08 02:41 AM
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Oh. Well I beg to differ. I found some at the local outdoor shop. I will get back to you on the models that I saw. I think they were 20 or 35 degree bags. Very nice stuff.


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Re: New found love for CAMPING. (equipment talk) [Re: reconseed] #239850 09/07/08 04:19 AM
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I think the point is that most folks in the west (especially in the intermountain like Shaolin) don't consider 20F+ bags to be 'winter bags'. My lightest summer bag is an 800-fill 32F. On the other hand, I just saw a Marmot 0F/600-fill bag for $230 online (so it is possible if you want to go 3.75#)

I guess it all depends on the application and what you're willing to carry vs. what you're willing to spend. For car camping where weight doesn't matter, you can't beat a real tent with a flannel/canvas bag. If I'm packing it, I go for the lightest (smallest packing) bag I can afford with the required warmth. If you're going to wear a bunch of clothing at night, you can go with a warmer rating.

And btw, I'd be curious how a bivy does with condensation in the winter - I've never tried a bivy in extremely cold conditions.

Re: New found love for CAMPING. (equipment talk) [Re: mhr] #239851 09/07/08 11:42 AM
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My Marmot Arroyo is a 30 degree bag, but it is not a winter bag, and it cost $285 around 6 years ago.


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Re: New found love for CAMPING. (equipment talk) [Re: rooikat] #239853 09/08/08 12:50 AM
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In East Tennessee, it very seldomly gets below 20 degrees at anytime, middle of night or anytime during the day. So I will be just fine with a bag rated for this weather and above. Plus, when in the field, and at FT. Lewis too, I sleep in full cold weather gear from underarmor and you would be amazed at how toasty I saty in my bag and bivvy.


Interesting thought on the winter bivvy and in the cold weather... I will get back and let you guys know when I get the bag and the bivvy and get the chance to get out in the woods and do some sleeping in my new sleeping system. Hooah.


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Re: New found love for CAMPING. (equipment talk) [Re: reconseed] #239854 09/08/08 07:50 PM
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Just remember with sleeping bags you need to take their thermal rating with a grain of salt. Do some research of reviews of the bag if you can. Try some cool weather camping prior to the real cold stuff.


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Re: New found love for CAMPING. (equipment talk) [Re: reconseed] #239855 09/08/08 08:51 PM
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Remember sweat can kill in the winter. Layer your clothing and if you feel that you are starting to sweat peel some layers off. Once your clothes and you get damp it can be real hard to dry out in winter. If you are wearing boots with removeable liners, it can be a good idea to have two sets of liners so you can have one dry out while you are wearing the other.
I personally cannot stand mummy bags, so for me I need the old fashioned rectangular bag. I like the fact that I can store the next days clothes in the foot of the bag so they are warm when I but them on. This does come at a price, the bag is heavier and not so compact and I have to wear something on my head. I wear what my kids call my "dork hat" it is a winter liner for a hard hat and covers my ears and keeps my head warm at night.

I would also suggest the first couple of times you go out, you don't go to far off the beaten track just incase you need to bug out if something doesn't go as planned


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Re: New found love for CAMPING. (equipment talk) [Re: coyotebc] #239856 09/08/08 09:21 PM
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All very sound advice coyotebc.


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Re: New found love for CAMPING. (equipment talk) [Re: Shaolin] #239857 09/09/08 01:21 AM
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I agree with almost all of what coyetebc said, other than that I don't really mind mummy bags. I dont use them as intended because I fine it hard to sleep on my back, but I enjoy how compact they are. Most of the camping I do is backpacking, which means that I must often sacrifice the ruggedness of the gear in favor of decreasing weight. Military gear is great, but I often find that its durability is made to withstand abuse I never encounter, and thus merely adds weight.

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For a lightweight pillow, you could use some folded up clothing, or an inflatable pillow.

Even the inflatable ones are still pretty bulky. My norm is a balled-up fleece jacket, but down is best. I often use the next days cloths as a pillow and to warm them, but the suggestion of keeping them at the bottom of the bag is also a good one. This also helps to keep your feet warm, if you wrap the cloths around them a bit. Here in Oregon, the temps usually stay above zero unless you're at high altitude, but I've been fine sleeping with a hat and jacket on in a 15 degree bag when its around 10*F. outside. Then again, I prefer to sleep very cold. In general though, you can get away with a more compact and colder bag if you dont mind sleeping in your full winter wardrobe. After I (hopefully) get my knife fix taken care of at blade west, I plan to get a new backpacking pack. I will most likely go for something technical outdoors, rather than something military, but my mind isnt made up. I know kifaru is the accepted favorite in these parts, but thats a bit beyond my price range. Again, we'll see

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Re: New found love for CAMPING. (equipment talk) [Re: CloaknDagger] #239858 09/12/08 03:49 AM
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great post cloak


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Re: New found love for CAMPING. (equipment talk) [Re: reconseed] #239859 09/12/08 09:29 AM
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Here is a link to Buffalo Systems....you should look at the Super S sleeping bag and their Mountain shirt in OD Green...you can leave the liner and use the shirt instead...the bag has shoulder zips which make it perfect for military and climbing use as you can keep it on and use your hands...it works like a poncho then....it works soaking wet through....you just wring it dry and it dries out quickly...it washes in a machine wash....I got this system in 1980...they started in 1979...this stuff lasts!
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http://www.buffalosystems.co.uk/index.htm

The sleeping bag is a bit heavy though....if you want a lighter two bag system try the Snugpack military bags

http://militarykit.com/product_categories/sleeping_bags_snugpak.htm

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