Well I would be hoping to see an LE I could pick up on the secondary market for closer to $300 maybe even $350 since it is satin and "somewhat" nicely finished, but I am not that optimistic...... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />


I chose not to pay the factory release price and didn't require much effort to rationalize my decision. I can safely assure you "I" won't be considering higher secondary market prices.

But, I am sure some Hogs will be trying 50% and 100% markups first in the next few days. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/barf.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

I personally hope NONE of them get profits. Call me mean.

I would rather people buy these knives to use and enjoy and not for investment.

And I honestly don't expect these to sell very well on the secondary market at much mark-up. Not for a long time anyway. These were not that limited. There were a TON made and there was a reasonable enough period for anyone to place orders. Demand had reasonable opportunity to be met. Supply met demand... for now. Those who chose not to buy, most likely are like me and chose not to buy because of price. Same for the ASH1, the Hack, the AD's and a few other knives that were sold in reasonable quantities. I think this is to Jerry's benifit as he can profit from selling more knives. I think this helps most Busse enthusiasts as they have better opportunity to pick up knives...

.....except for the prices. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> Now it looks like Jerry has started pricing to keep up with some of the secondary market pricing. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbdn.gif" alt="" />...

If that trend continues, my Busse purchasing days are possibly done. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

I "will" take my money to other makers and better values. Again, I hope I am wrong.

I DO love INFI, SR-101 and SR-77 for some applications. But, I need to feel I am getting my money's worth. With all the work I have been having to put into these knives to finish them and make them USER-WORTHY, I have to consider my time and efforts a significant cost! And I have said this before: It is NOT an equal comparison to say the amount of time and effort I put into finishing the knife shows how much more it should cost to be done right. I have to work around attached handles or remove them. I don't have a full blown high end machine shop. A knife-maker can do what I do to the knives to make them worthy in a fraction of the time. I would like to see these things done from Busse and at reasonable prices.

$330 more for an LE version of a NMFBM or even just the standard FBM is FREAKIN REDICULOUS!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> And they still don't come with Competition worthy edges. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif" alt="" /> I am hoping for changes. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crossfingers.gif" alt="" />

Satin DFLE's at $179.95 are WAY better bangs for the buck for users. The DFLE still needed a better edge profile IMO, but that is easier to do than strip and satin finish. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />


For those who want drool over safe queens and don't care about price, the NMFBMLE is for some.... to each their own.

Again, I would LOVE to own a NMFBMLE, but not at those prices. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

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If you lust for an S7, you'll probably be very pleased with a SFNO.

i was very pleased with the price of the CG NMFBM and i think it was way cheaper than what anybody thought.

there was a specific post before we knew the price asking everyone to guess how much they thought it would cost and it ended up being much cheaper than anyones guess.i was afraid of what the "melt down" effect would do to the price.

why was the LE so much more????......i dont know but neither does anyone else except those involved in its production.

i give jerry more credit than to really criticize the price.i trust jerry,relatively speaking,not to try and milk us just for the sake of greed.we arent knife makers and may not understand all that goes into the production of any particular piece and even if we are knife makers we werent involved in the making of this one.

while my interest in knives leaves me curious regarding the production process to cost ratio between the CG & LE NMFBM or any knife for that matter,i trust that there is a real and honest reason behind the difference between the CG & LE version here.

and while i understand jerry is running a business and wants,likes and needs money like everyone else and that he is a genius when it comes to marketing he has done too much,gone to far out of his way and become too close with his fans/customers to just rape us on a price for no good reason.

of coarse all of this is just imho.

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> More power to you.
"Pleased" is not a word that works for me in this case. But, if it works for you, then again, more power to you. To each their own and all that.....




I would "ASSUME" that people could SAFELY speculate on the price being very high as Jerry has sold Many other VERY high priced knives. People who were guessing are familiar with many of Busse's past prices. Take a look at most of the prices on customs from Ganzaaas. ... Not that high prices from the past help justify the price for me on current high prices - they don't for me. I think most Busse INFI knives are way over-priced. I couldn't justify the FBM and many others either. Great knives for sure. But, NOT good value or bang for the buck IMO. I have a few and would like others. But, Busse INFI is a clear case of paying exponentionally more for only fractionally more (in some areas) and yet still missing some key/relevent details in finishing IMO for my preferences.

But, again, more power to you and those who somehow do justify the prices.




If you and enough others are "pleased" with the price and more relevant "willing to pay" the prices, the Jerry has every right to charge what the market is willing to pay "regardless of how much is profit" and how much is cost to Jerry.

For my part, I have to assume EXTREME profit on INFI - ESPECIALLY satin LE's that I am very confident should cost no more than $20 - $40 more than CG retail (probably $10 - $20 in actual factory cost!). LE's are VERY SAFE bets to be HUGE profits.

Is making HUGE profit margins wrong? No. It is the American way if you can can get people to pay it, you earned it.

I "KNOW" for a fact that I pay REDICULOUS amounts of money on MUCH lower priced knives and I feel the NMFBM and the NMFBMLE are WAY beyond THOSE Rediculous prices.


I like the design of the NMFBMLE and I LOVE INFI. Maybe you can convince or sell yourself on justifying the price. But, no way I am buying into justifying some of those prices.

People pay EXTREME amounts of money for trinkets and baubles all the time: Diamonds are a good example. To me, diamonds are uniqure, rare, precious, etc. But, I don't see much value in paying thousands and tens of thousands for a little pea sized stone. I did buy "ONE" for my wife's engagement/wedding ring. Luckily, she actually feels similarly about the "LACK OF" bang for the buck in paying for diamonds. She appreciates the one she has, is satisfied with that and doesn't really desire more. "Luckily" I have a rational wife.
I would "generally" say I am very rational. But, I can't defend that statement based on some of my material purchase - mostly my knife collection. It is NOT a rational use of my money. My wife is WAY more practical about spending money. Material possessions are apparently a weakness for me in spite of "generally" being pretty rational.
I have WAY more VERY worthy knives than I could possibly justify in MANY lifetimes..... and I am sure that won't stop me from buying more. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/paperbag.gif" alt="" /> But, my attempts to be somewhat closer to rational prevent me from spending that sort of money on ANY knife.

CZ diamonds are "BETTER" quality at a very small fraction of the cost.
Those who justify paying for real diamonds just have a personal "NEED" to feel special about paying too much for something that is a status symbol. Basically, braggin rights.... "Look what I have"....

But, there are better values to be had and better ways to spend money. NOBODY "Needs" a diamond.

Don't get me wrong. I think INFI is (in many ways - not all) a quality diamond with some quality characteristics of the knife steel industry. And I feel "some" of Busse's designs are VERY nice..... Although, I think some "Finish" level aspects of most Busse knives could/should be improvd for the money - IMO.

I just don't personally see the value and can't justify "most" of the prices. Actually, I can't realistically justify ANY of the prices. But, I have a few times and still have a few pieces of INFI. "Want" can be a silly, but powerful force. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/paperbag.gif" alt="" />

Your money. But, all you guys happy to pay those prices help keep the prices out of my reach. Thanks. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> (somewhat cynical - somewhat mayb not ????) In spite of my frustration, being "WAY" over-priced just helps make the decision not to buy that much easier and helps remove any thought or temptation..... The "WANT" still lingers.... painfully. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> - But, maybe I need to just get over it.

The NMFBM is still just a slab of sharpened steel with a handle. Quality steel - sure. Good design even. But, WAY HIGH PRICED IMO.

Ya'll have fun. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

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i'm curious as to how many busse kin knives you have KNIFE GUY.

the reason i ask is because you always have something negative to say about something.if its not the price its the way they are sold.if its not the finish its the edge.you always find something yet keep coming back for more.sounds like a love/hate relationship.

you also have 2,665 post on this forum.thats a lot of post considering that a huge chunk of them are always pointing out your perceived flaws and flat out complaining about every little thing.imo it only spreads negativity in a very positive place.

you also know how to walk that line where you never take it far enough for the mods to react.imo its a little tight rope act you have mastered.

do you have a right to an opinion....of coarse.and do you have the right to express it....YES.but you go a little over board.

THE WORLD ISNT A PERFECT PLACE MY FRIEND.you always threaten to stop buying busse knives and what not.dont talk about it,be about it.i dont think anyone cares to be frank.everyone has had a complaint here and there.some have made them public and others have kept them to themselves.you have to be the most negative,complaining yet regular member of any forum i've ever been on.

do i wish a knife came a little sharper,or got to my door a little quicker or that it was a little less stressful to purchase,you bet.did i mention it,maybe.did i give everyone involved a hard time about it and never quit....NO,
and the reason is i want to be welcomed here and i dont want to sound like an "arm chair quarterback" who can tell people how they should do things and point out every little imperfection when i havnt done any better myself.

thats how i look at things.dont give the coach a hard time and criticize him unless you are willing to take time out of your day,put in work and do better your self.

if you dont like it deal with it.usually when someone has an issue they can sum it up in a sentence or two as opposed to dozens of 9 paragraph rants.

for me to say all this means i've bit my tongue 10 times before.maybe you could try that.i hate to add to the negativity but sometimes enough is enough.

busse combat doesnt owe us anything except a knife when we have given them cash for it.i think that you must think your threats,complaints and whining will change things so you can have it your way.you get a lot farther with sugar than salt.you must be using "the squeaky wheel gets the grease" strategy.just remember everyone finds a squeaky wheel annoying and is why WD40 was invented.

i'm sorry to be so blunt but i'm not good at beating around the bush.i've said what i've had to say and arent interested in arguing this.i said my piece.

i'm sure you will have a very long,condescending and sarcastic reply.

again,i'm sorry to add to the negativity.