I have one that is kinda the same concept as the Gerber folder. I had forgot about it until I saw the pic of the Gerber. I will see if I can find it and snap a couple pics for you. Don't know anything about it really except I picked it up late one summer and did not get around to ever using it.

That reminds me. I need to go order a Grayman Grax one of these days soon. It almost looks like a hatchet version of a fire axe:

Not quiet hatchets but doing a terrific job at the same chores <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

Gerber must have cut a deal with the Patent holder of the Pack Ax looks just like it except fancier, nice guy I met him on the phone a few years back. I have a couple of the Pack Ax's and they're decent light duty Axes. Some people might think they're too gadgety to be any good, I say to each his own. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

BTW, the Pack Ax holds up just fine and I imagine the Kick Ax will too, within limits.

The guys who were producing the Pack Ax only had one return for a warranty issue in the whole time they were making them, and that's because someone tried to use the back as a hammer... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

the cold steel shovel chops extremely well and it can be used for more than just chopping, so i have to give it my endorsement here.

it's not a wedge, so it won't split like an axe, but you have those thick scrappers for that anyway.

i also have the trail hawk and it bites deep. i'd like to try the other hawks.

Plus one on the CS Shovel and the Trail Hawk! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

I seem to be getting a lot of request for Trail Hawk pants lately for some reason... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

well if you're makin em, just throw one into the box with my quiver when you get around to it.

reminds me i found a nylon quiver for $20 on ebay a few days ago...think i'll buy it.

also considering an upgrade to the rifleman's hawk.

The Rifleman's Hawk is nice too, quite a bit heavier, more of a medium Axe I guess.

I'll keep that in mind on the Trail Hawk, I've been so busy, I haven't rushed getting to the Quiver, I'll try to make time for that soon, I'm sure it'd come in handy when the weather starts to warm. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

no rush, jeff. be at ease, let those creative juices flow, and take your time. it'll just make it all the sweeter.

Cool, Thanks. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I figured you'd let me know if you got to needing it.

even though they are a little more expensive i would go with a wetterlings i have both a wetterlings 19 in. and a fiskars of the same size and i find myself reaching for my wetterlings every time.

Wetterlings I have found to be similar to the Gransfors Bruks
except it isnt nearly as sharp out of the box.
It is much cheaper though.
Never used a Estwing.(well,not one that wasnt a hammer!)