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Re: good camping knive [Re: sumoj275] #275551 04/14/09 04:05 PM
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I know this much I would rather have an ax if I were having to make a semi to perm shelter. Besides that, the SOD is great right now. However, I sure would like to try a DF or a Battle Mistress!


I have to agree that a (key word) "GOOD" axe is still a better tool for many tasks than a large chopping knife.

However, it comes down to situation. Often carry vs. not carry.

And if carry, I will EASILY choose a knife over an axe.

If around the house or car camping, having an axe handy that you don't have to carry into the field is very convenient. So is a good machete.

But, I am not going to carry an axe very far into the field.

Kukris, machetes and large knives can all be pretty decent at chopping - even if not as good on thick hard wood as a good axe.

But, the ease of carry makes it an easy decision when carry is to be considered. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

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For the record, I am having a hard time viewing the very large NMFBM as a worthy choice between the great chopping of a BR and DFLE along with carry considerations - Vs. an axe if just around camp.

The MOAB "SERIOUSLY" begs some questions for me. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> - MOAB weighs as much a a significantly SIZED axe at about 40 - 50 TIMES the cost. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

I am just having a hard time finding any logical explanation or justification for a MOAB... At that price, I haven't really wasted much time considering it though.

But, the BR and DFLE are VERY worthy!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bowdown.gif" alt="" />

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Re: good camping knive [Re: banana-clip] #275552 04/14/09 04:14 PM
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Thats a huge tree Andy!!! How long did it take you to chop through it? How big around was it?

A long time. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Actually, it's not a "tree" but a branch on a tree broken in a storm. It had been there several years, so it was dry, not green when I cut it. My arm was sooo sore... ha


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Re: good camping knive [Re: KnifeGuy] #275553 04/14/09 09:06 PM
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I know this much I would rather have an ax if I were having to make a semi to perm shelter. Besides that, the SOD is great right now. However, I sure would like to try a DF or a Battle Mistress!


I have to agree that a (key word) "GOOD" axe is still a better tool for many tasks than a large chopping knife.

However, it comes down to situation. Often carry vs. not carry.

And if carry, I will EASILY choose a knife over an axe.

If around the house or car camping, having an axe handy that you don't have to carry into the field is very convenient. So is a good machete.

But, I am not going to carry an axe very far into the field.

Kukris, machetes and large knives can all be pretty decent at chopping - even if not as good on thick hard wood as a good axe.

But, the ease of carry makes it an easy decision when carry is to be considered. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

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For the record, I am having a hard time viewing the very large NMFBM as a worthy choice between the great chopping of a BR and DFLE along with carry considerations - Vs. an axe if just around camp.

The MOAB "SERIOUSLY" begs some questions for me. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> - MOAB weighs as much a a significantly SIZED axe at about 40 - 50 TIMES the cost. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

I am just having a hard time finding any logical explanation or justification for a MOAB... At that price, I haven't really wasted much time considering it though.

But, the BR and DFLE are VERY worthy!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bowdown.gif" alt="" />
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Good thoughts. I have been looking for a good ax, like a GB or Whetterlings but I do more walk-abouts than camping--something for me to reconsider. I know I hate the cheap ax I have now
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Re: good camping knive [Re: Andy Wayne] #275554 04/14/09 09:07 PM
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Thats a huge tree Andy!!! How long did it take you to chop through it? How big around was it?

A long time. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Actually, it's not a "tree" but a branch on a tree broken in a storm. It had been there several years, so it was dry, not green when I cut it. My arm was sooo sore... ha

Funny how something that starts out fun ends up sore the next day <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />


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Re: good camping knive [Re: sumoj275] #275555 04/14/09 09:49 PM
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That's why you should use the right tool for the job - an axe. However, Andy did prove that it can be done with a knife if need be! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


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Re: good camping knive [Re: Private Klink] #275556 04/14/09 09:59 PM
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I think the term camping knife can mean different things to different people.

The way I look at it, camping knife should be short enough to do small chores while big enough to do cutting/batoning around the camp.

My version of such camp knife should also be small enough to carry for long, I mean very long hikes. 10-20miles hike with such knife should be somewhat comfortable. That pretty much leave the BR and DF out of the game for the "perfect all around" camp knife.

The CT and SOD would be my pick for the "do-it-all" camp knife.


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Re: good camping knive [Re: KENKEN] #275557 04/14/09 10:18 PM
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Wayne chopped a log with the DMCG!!!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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Re: good camping knive [Re: reconseed] #275558 04/14/09 11:00 PM
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Wayne chopped a log with the DMCG!!!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

It's a pity Unsub doen't show his face much anymore. He had a fellow Canadian make him a custom field knife, and it was amazingly made. Here's a couple pics of one of the tests he puts a knife through before considering it good.

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Realize as well that this guy doesn't make knives for a living; he does it for the pure joy of the art. He's currently trying to make a Sutton Hoo Sword. Apparently, there are only a dozen or so people in the world can make one of the swords, but he loves the challenge!

Here's a pic of his first attempt at the sword:
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And here's a pic of what he's trying to make:
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Re: good camping knive [Re: KnifeGuy] #275559 04/15/09 12:33 AM
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I know this much I would rather have an ax if I were having to make a semi to perm shelter. Besides that, the SOD is great right now. However, I sure would like to try a DF or a Battle Mistress!


I have to agree that a (key word) "GOOD" axe is still a better tool for many tasks than a large chopping knife.

However, it comes down to situation. Often carry vs. not carry.

And if carry, I will EASILY choose a knife over an axe.
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My camp knife is a Bravo-1 or S6. I have tried chopping with a knife and was once a proponent of it... Until I bought my GB Small Forest Axe. In my humble opinion and experience, there is no comparison in chopping between a large knife and a good quality/sharp axe. My largest knife now is my S6. I had a DFCG and a very well used Battle Mistress that I sold. The GB small forest axe is only 19" and a small weight penalty over my Battle Mistress, yet it will out chop the Mistress 3 to 1 or better. If I am light packing, I make do with the S6. I can baton and light chop with it if I need to. If I don't mind the extra weight, I'll have the axe in my pack with the Bravo-1 on my side. I went through a delima for a while trying to decide if I wanted to replace my S6 with my SOD, but the S6 is still with me.

Re: good camping knive [Re: tyger75] #275560 04/15/09 12:41 AM
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Wayne chopped a log with the DMCG!!!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

It's a pity Unsub doen't show his face much anymore. He had a fellow Canadian make him a custom field knife, and it was amazingly made. Here's a couple pics of one of the tests he puts a knife through before considering it good.

[Linked Image from i321.photobucket.com]

[Linked Image from i321.photobucket.com]

[Linked Image from i321.photobucket.com]

[Linked Image from i321.photobucket.com]

[Linked Image from i321.photobucket.com]

Realize as well that this guy doesn't make knives for a living; he does it for the pure joy of the art. He's currently trying to make a Sutton Hoo Sword. Apparently, there are only a dozen or so people in the world can make one of the swords, but he loves the challenge!

Here's a pic of his first attempt at the sword:
[Linked Image from i321.photobucket.com]

And here's a pic of what he's trying to make:
[Linked Image from i321.photobucket.com]
Looks like he is making a good knife. Now the Sutton Hoo, that would be an accomplishment!


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Re: good camping knive [Re: bladz] #275561 04/15/09 12:42 AM
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For me, the axe versus knife issue isn't even the main dilemma - it's knife versus saw. In my opinion, axes are too hard to control and too potentially dangerous to carry when I'm a few days hike from my car. When I'm completely worn out after 10 or 20 miles on the trail, the last thing I want to be doing is swinging an axe around. Plus they are heavy.

I doubt I would carry something the size of the dogfather, and I doubt I would carry an axe or hatchet, when backpacking. If I'm going to chop, it'll be with a mid-sized knife. Far more likely, I would have something like a sven saw. A small folding camp saw might not be as fast as an axe, but it's a lot safer, and takes a lot less energy. I appreciate that combination at the end of a long day hiking.

Re: good camping knive [Re: MustardMan] #275562 04/15/09 12:55 AM
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MM, it also depends on what you're used to and comfortable with.

I've spent most of my life hiking through woods, and do it now as part of my job. Carrying a small camp axe or knife like the DFLE in my kit, for the better part of 12 hours as I'm moving through treelines doesn't even phase me. I'm used to it. As to being worn out and unable to safely swing the knife or axe, again, I've never had the issue. Not saying I don't feel winded; I just take my time when I'm setting up my camp, and set my chores so that I've gotten a chance to get my breath back.

I'm not saying this to brag or anything, merely making a point of what each individual person can become comfortable with.

I have a friend back on the East Coast that goes out for jogs with 15 pound weights strapped to each limb. Would I try it? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> Hell no, but bully for him being able to. Same for what each person is comfortable with handling as part of their kit.


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