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Through vs. Differential heat treat question
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05/06/09 01:13 AM
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When a blade is released in either SR-101 or SR-71 is the Rc measurement along the edge the same regardless of whether it is through hardened or differentially hardened? Does Dan compromise some edge retention by lowering the overall hardness for a through heated knife to give it more tensile strength or is it hardened to the same degree as the edge of a differentially heated blade? I know this is kind of long winded and a bit convoluted so if you need me to rephrase or re-ask the question let me know. Thanks!
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Re: Through vs. Differential heat treat question
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05/06/09 01:17 AM
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there was another post on this a while back. was a really good read. i wish i had the grasp to explain it but some of these guys here can get you the right info. until then maybe you can find the other post. i will have a look myself.
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Re: Through vs. Differential heat treat question
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05/06/09 01:23 AM
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i think i know what you mean and i don't think anyone here can answer that.
first, dan's never done it to my knowledge.
second, swamp rat has done it. you're assuming that if the through hardened knife was 57rc, the differentially temeperd knife would be 59 on the edge and 55 on the spine. that makes sense but honestly, i don't think even Busse, masters of the heat treat, have that much control over the hardening. the spine will be softer than the edge, which may be 1rc or 2 harder than the through hardened sr101 knives but i don't think they'd do that with sr77.
still, all just a guess. i don't think through hardened sr101 needs to be 'less hardened' to still be worth of its family.
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Re: Through vs. Differential heat treat question
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05/06/09 01:27 AM
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I was actually thinking that I would want it to be more hardened. Keeping a better edge in a knife that size is more important to me than tensile strength.
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Re: Through vs. Differential heat treat question
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05/06/09 01:51 AM
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i think i know what you mean and i don't think anyone here can answer that.
first, dan's never done it to my knowledge.
second, swamp rat has done it. you're assuming that if the through hardened knife was 57rc, the differentially temeperd knife would be 59 on the edge and 55 on the spine. that makes sense but honestly, i don't think even Busse, masters of the heat treat, have that much control over the hardening. the spine will be softer than the edge, which may be 1rc or 2 harder than the through hardened sr101 knives but i don't think they'd do that with sr77.
still, all just a guess. i don't think through hardened sr101 needs to be 'less hardened' to still be worth of its family. I was also thinking that the through hardened mihgt be 57 Rc and the differentially tempered blade might be 59 Rc on the edge and 57 Rc on the spine. So in making the entire knife 57 Rc you are gaining tensile strength but losing some edge retention whereas you get the best of bost worlds with the differential treat. I think a better sacrifice for a small blade would be to bump it up to the 59 Rc where it has its greatest edge retention and sacrifice some tensile strength.
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05/06/09 02:01 AM
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Re: Through vs. Differential heat treat question
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05/06/09 02:39 AM
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I was also thinking that the through hardened mihgt be 57 Rc and the differentially tempered blade might be 59 Rc on the edge and 57 Rc on the spine. So in making the entire knife 57 Rc you are gaining tensile strength but losing some edge retention whereas you get the best of bost worlds with the differential treat. I think a better sacrifice for a small blade would be to bump it up to the 59 Rc where it has its greatest edge retention and sacrifice some tensile strength.
you got it straight and i'm with you. now the only question is how they actually do it.
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Re: Through vs. Differential heat treat question
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05/06/09 02:40 AM
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Thank you bld522. I really appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Through vs. Differential heat treat question
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05/06/09 02:42 AM
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A through-hardened SR101 knife the size of the Scrapper 5 has more than enough lateral strength for any task that may be required of it. i agree. i'd go further and say a 1/4" blade of SR101, even at 10", will be plenty tough through hardened. course i'm only getting my first large sr101 blades now. (m9le, rat mastiff, and battle rat, and yes i'm giddy and showing off.)
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Re: Through vs. Differential heat treat question
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05/06/09 02:50 AM
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A through-hardened SR101 knife the size of the Scrapper 5 has more than enough lateral strength for any task that may be required of it. i agree. i'd go further and say a 1/4" blade of SR101, even at 10", will be plenty tough through hardened. course i'm only getting my first large sr101 blades now. (m9le, rat mastiff, and battle rat, and yes i'm giddy and showing off.) And of course they are all differentially treated <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />(at least I think they are). By the way, [censored] that's a nice collection you got going there!
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Re: Through vs. Differential heat treat question
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05/06/09 03:08 AM
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those are knives on the way. deals are made but they're not here yet. my only past experience with sr101 is the swamp warden, which i didn't like too much.
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