No. SR101 is TOUGHER than SR77. But SR77 is STRONGER than SR101. Toughness and strength are not the same thing. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> [/quote]

whattttt!?!?!?!?!? please elaborate. im confused. must be due to my "newbie" status <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Here is a Latrobe example, the ability to withstand abuse ranks S7 as good, H13 as exceptional, and D7 as poor, however the strength side the roles are reversed, with S7 being the median.


ASTM Grade Name Description Toughness
Wear Resistance

D7 LSS™ D7 An air-hardening tool steel 3
with maximum wear resistance for an ingot cast steel. Large, 6
hard carbides resist wear

S7 LSS™ S7 An air hardening, shock resistant 7
tool steel with better dimensional stability in heat 3
treatment.

H13 LSS™ H13 A 5% chromium hot work steel which 10
is often used in cold work tooling applications which need 2
high toughness but not high strength.

another comparison


in this example 3V is the winner for overall use here, while S7 has the ability to take repeated poundings..(lets use a press for example)...the strength isn't great enough to keep going, A2 would wear out shortly after, followed by D2, but replacing S7 with either the D or A2 steels means your more prone to breaking, so 3V offers the alternative, a little easier to understand might be , I have an equal razor edge on both SR77 and SR101,
both with exceptional heat treatments,

I might be able to whack the 77 a few more times with a sledge hammer on the spine,but its edge will fail(or roll) long before the 101,

I can resharpen them both, but once again the 77 does not have the strength to hold its edge compared to the SR101...does that help?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Hairy Carry came out late last summer, did it not? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/paperbag.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Granted, one release a year is pretty slow, but that's still one a year instead of none in a year.

tyger, im not sure when the hairy carry came out but what you have failed to actually realize is that the hairy carry was NOT made of sr101.. it was made from 154CM. so my claim stands. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

granted, i said SR knives, but i was referencing SR101 SR knives... sorry for not clarifying...

I would love to see SY bring back more SR101 with ResC... that's a great combo.

I knew that you were referring to the lack of SR101, but couldn't resist taking advantage of your slip in wording to tease you a little, and bring some laughter to the discussion! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Bruce, I believe you have it reversed and that I was originally right...
as I thought fastcamo's post shows.

H13 is a more dramatic example than s7, and as you can see it is VERY tough... but not very strong.
that's how s7 sr77 is.
sr101 has more strength, but less toughness.

If Jerry has said different, I'm thinking it was a mistake or mix up, unless he meant that SR's aren't as strong laterally... because they're softer at the spine? (which would make it "weaker")

was it that long since the chopweiler and ratmandu? two years? didn't feel that long.

and i did include the HC, but since you now exclude all non-sr101 rats i'll let that one slide.

For the record. I did send back that broken CW to SR but I'm not sure about the outcome.

If I could change my vote, I would. I voted for sr101 but I would have to agree that I want Swamp Rat to continue to prosper. I too would like to have both companies maintain their current steel choice.

What did you get as a replacement... another Chopweiler? What did you do with the replacement they sent you? I was always curious as to the outcome of that.