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Re: Poll: Scrap Yard SR77 vs SR101 [Re: Tikigod] #288726 05/10/09 02:59 AM
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just skip pages 4-9 and you should avoid any confusion.


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Re: Poll: Scrap Yard SR77 vs SR101 [Re: Magnum22] #288727 05/10/09 03:21 AM
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I think those pages will be half the fun.


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Re: Poll: Scrap Yard SR77 vs SR101 [Re: tyger75] #288728 05/10/09 08:17 AM
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[quote]I should also add. If one MUST rely on ones knife like I do at times. SR-77 is a much stronger & more dependable steel IMO, that's according to some tests I have conducted. But that's MO of course.

if you've conducted tests then it's not an opinion, it's data. i'd love to see it and will retract my previous posts if it's conclusive.


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338 Stalker had the "ONE" broken tip on SR-101 that I have ever seen in about 5 years on Rat Chat, Bladeforums and 2.5 years or so here on Scrap Yard forums.

There are pretty fair indications there was a defect in the steel. But, I don't know.

I don't think 338 sent the Chopweiler back to Busse/Eric to give them a fair opportunity to inspect it for reasons for failure (???????)

Chopweiler Tip Failure


Considering, this is the only "legitimate" significant failure in SR-101 I have seen or know of and considering how many other SR-101 blades I have seen take a LOT more, I am willing to chalk up one case to defect.

I "Think" I remember having read (???????????????????) Jerry to have said he has about 1 in 1000 pieces of INFI break as defects.

I "Know" I have seen 4-5 INFI knives break worse than the Chopweiler tip. So, I Know I have seen more INFI break than SR-101.
Yet, I still concede INFI to be tougher.
However, SR-101 has an INCREDIBLE track record for NOT failing.

338's Chopweiler was unfortunate. Also unfortunate that Eric/Busse didn't get a fair chance to analyze for what may have caused the defect. Eric repeatedly offered to replace it if 338 sent it back. Again, I could be wrong, but I don't have time to research all the posts, but I don't think 338 sent it back.

Defects happen in steel and it is very hard to inspect for certain defects and you just don't know till they fail.

Considering I HAVE seen more pieces of INFI break than SR-101 and considering the ABUSE I have seen given to SR-101, I am still VERY good with the toughness level of SR-101 and will consider 338's CW as a 1 in MANY thousands defect.

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For the record. I did send back that broken CW to SR but I'm not sure about the outcome.

What did you get as a replacement... another Chopweiler? What did you do with the replacement they sent you? I was always curious as to the outcome of that. [/quote]

Another CW.

Someone wanted it more than me so I sold it off.


338, it just rolls off the tongue.
Re: Poll: Scrap Yard SR77 vs SR101 [Re: Magnum22] #288729 05/10/09 08:42 AM
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There is nothing wrong with SR-77's edge retention, that I can insure you! Is SR101 better, very slightly, but not enough to write home about. It is stronger, no way.
I can chop up 2 deer & make many fires with SR-77 without a re-sharpen. This IMO is all that is needed for any survival/serious hunting knife.
I also personally think Scrap Yard knives with it's superbly heat treated SR-77 is the best in the world when you add all the features for what one gets for their money$. I will even stick my neck out & say I prefer their ideas/designs etc over Busse, even with the incredible INFI steel. INFI is GREAT <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> but so is SR-77 <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />.
SR-77 is all that is really needed & SYKC will always be my No. 1 Bussekin choice <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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338, it just rolls off the tongue.
Re: Poll: Scrap Yard SR77 vs SR101 [Re: MRpink] #288730 05/10/09 11:47 AM
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while you guys figure this out, I'll be outside beating my SOD. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Haha! Research! I never meant to imply that there was anything wrong with SR77. That SOD can hold its own with any camp knife. I can predict one thing, you are not going to break it! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Poll: Scrap Yard SR77 vs SR101 [Re: 338 Stalker] #288731 05/10/09 01:21 PM
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There is nothing wrong with SR-77's edge retention, that I can insure you! Is SR101 better, very slightly, but not enough to write home about. It is stronger, no way.
I can chop up 2 deer & make many fires with SR-77 without a re-sharpen. This IMO is all that is needed for any survival/serious hunting knife.
I also personally think Scrap Yard knives with it's superbly heat treated SR-77 is the best in the world when you add all the features for what one gets for their money$. I will even stick my neck out & say I prefer their ideas/designs etc over Busse, even with the incredible INFI steel. INFI is GREAT <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> but so is SR-77 <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />.
SR-77 is all that is really needed & SYKC will always be my No. 1 Bussekin choice <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Im with you man. I love Scrap Yard and they will always be #1 for me.

Bruce, I was thinking that it was backwards too when I reread that thread... I thought I had it right the first time, but KS says I HA IT BACKWARDS.... Im still confused. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/sad.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Poll: Scrap Yard SR77 vs SR101 #288733 05/10/09 01:42 PM
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I agree with that Bruce and it is in line with what we were saying toughness and strength are. I'd say you have it! There are so many details to consider and so many variables...that is what makes this tough. He mentions a correlation between hardness and strength...That is true most of the time but as I pointed out - diamonds, glass and ceramic are harder than steel yet not stronger so that breaks down the correlation between hardness and strength - but only when comparing non-steel materials to steel. The test used to test hardness is basically a tensile strength test for all intents and purposes. They push a diamond tipped instrument into the steel with a predetermined amount of force and measure the depth of the penetration. That is how they get the Rockwell hardness numbers. It makes sense that a steel with greater tensile strength would resist the penetration more than a weaker steel or material. I believe that is where the correlation exists and we did point that out last night. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Makes sense?

I do believe you understand the concepts though and i believe we are on the same page. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> This conversation is a doozie!


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Re: Poll: Scrap Yard SR77 vs SR101 #288734 05/10/09 01:43 PM
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Joe Talmadge's Steel FAQ is the acknowledged and most oft-quoted FAQ for the knife industry, Recon. If there's a discrepancy between Joe's definitions and anyone else's definitions, Joe's definitions prevail.

OK so i was right all along. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bowdown.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Poll: Scrap Yard SR77 vs SR101 [Re: Magnum22] #288735 05/10/09 01:59 PM
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Now my head really hurts. I don't think Advil will even touch the throbbing sensation I got from reading this thread. I do appreciate everyone's thoughts on this debate. What it comes down to, for me at least, is that SR101 and SR77 from the Bussekin family are excellent steel.


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Re: Poll: Scrap Yard SR77 vs SR101 #288737 05/10/09 02:58 PM
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Bruce-

I hear what you are saying - but when referring to knife toughness and strength...
SR-77 is TOUGHER and SR-101 is STRONGER.

Ex. s7 Spring steel is tougher than S30V stainless. The same applies to the SR-77 and SR-101 comparison. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif" alt="" />

I thought we had it... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


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