Dan- Can you clear this up for us or maybe give us Jerry's input? That would be awesome! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Thanks.

lol, I guess I can't Bruce.
I guess I'm the one who had the definitions mixed up...
I still can't help but feel that those aren't right though.
oh well, I'm just stubborn.

hmm, now that it's put that way though, I would think sr77 would be more tough too.
your thoughts???

NVM: that last sentence makes sense.

so I guess you were right.

You better add 338 to that list as well mate <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Bruce-

I agree with all of those definitions...so me and the others must be confused about the differences between the 2 steels. I've gone back to 4 different threads to read through comparisons between the two steels and the overwhelming consensus is that 77 is tougher and 101 is stronger. That doesn't mean you are incorrect- just that possibly there are a lot of us confused on the merits of these two steels. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

There are two conflicting things going on here - two questions basically...

1. What is the difference between strength and toughness in regards to blade steels?

2. Between SR-77 and SR-101 - which is tougher and which is stronger?


It is hard to lump all of this in to one question and answer. I am certain that I understand #1 so either I am confused about #2 or you are confused about one of them...? Not sure which. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

What tests are you basing your 77 and 101 strength and toughness ratings on? Just curious...I started a post a while back asking folks to rate the busse steels on toughness, edge holding and some other things and pretty much everyone that contributed rated 77 higher in toughness than they rated 101... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" />

We may never get a conclusive answer...so we will have to live with our own conclusions. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Great thread though.

I should add 2 pictures(SR-77(DFLE) vs SR101(CW), but I wont <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> . It clearly shows the difference!
How I see it is, SR-77 will bend where SR101 will break given the same HARD use. Now I'm a firm believer in "a dull knife is always better than a broken knife". So as much as I dig SR101 as some great steel I just want to KISS. SR-77 <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Maybe its because we're comparing two steels that are too similar...Maybe we try comparing two very dissimilar metals and see if folks are in agreement on the meaning of strength and toughness...then we can rule that out and move on to how the 2 busse steels compare...?

So I say lets compare Brass and 154CM. Pick which you think is tougher and which you think is stronger.

I say Brass is tougher and 154CM is stronger. Why? Because brass will take more of a beating without breaking. 154CM is stronger but if you start hitting on it with a hammer or banging it into harder material it will crack or break.

Next <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

I am not educated enough in metallurgy to know exactly what toughness vs strength means. I always thought of it as toughness vs wear resistance. Jack Hammer bits (S7) need to be able to withstand repeated shock without shattering. Ball bearings (52-100) need to have superior wear resistance.