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Re: Who Change's The Edge On Their Busse-knives? [Re: tyger75] #354304 07/09/09 01:18 AM
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[quote]Cool. Hope you get to finish it. I finished my first and plan to start my second this weekend. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> They are fun albeit time consuming. And, Doc won't like this <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />, but I put a full convex grind on my first one and it turned out pretty good.
It looks like a knife and it cuts stuff. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

yuk yuk yuk....

Can I try it out on that rabbit tyger posted?...

Thumper for dinner anyone??

Doc


Yes you can, and we shall name him Thumper-Slayer! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


Bring me my Hassenpfeffer!!!!!

Doc

LOL! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Just be careful, some of those rabbit are mighty vicious.

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RUN AWAY!!!! RUN AWAY!!!!

Doc


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Re: Who Change's The Edge On Their Busse-knives? [Re: Steel Fan] #354305 07/09/09 01:24 AM
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Field sharpening and whether you go into the field with a Convex edge or a V grind is just a matter of knowledge and skill....you don't need mouse pads or sand paper or diamond hones....or anything other than what you can find on the ground.

If you want to be prepared for field sharpening here is how I have done it and demonstrated it for a lot of years. Firstly...to save time in touching up an edge know the angle you sharpened it at...I have my blades either at 23 degrees V grind or Convexed. Then work with the knife as a tool to get the angle right.

If you have a 7 inch blade then use that as a measurement for the base stick on a fig 4 trap. It then needs to be lashed to the vertical stick you have hammered into the ground at a distance so that 7 inches...the blade length...sticks out from the centre of the plumb line stick...AND it needs to be at a distance from the tip of the plumb line stick so that when placing the angled stick to make the trap and lashing this together...the angle this stick makes to the centre plumb line stick is 23 degrees.

This is all about knowing "tangents"....the tangent for a 23 degree angle is 0.425...so what divided into 7 will give this figure...the answer 16.5...so if you have a 7 inch blade then measure off the total length and using the lanyard eye hole if need be add a paracord lanyard so that when pulled straight it gives a means of measuring off 16.5 inches.

Then you can use the edge of the blade near the choil to bite into the angular lashed stick on the Fig 4 so it is directly in line with the cetre of the stick and has the same angle of incidence to the vertical plumb line stick as the angular stick. i.e. 23 degrees.

Then look for two stones...ideally wet ones from a stream which have close to flat sides...rub them together in a flat on flat level till a "paste" emerges...once there is a paste use this and holding the stone vertically run it along the edge facing upwards on the blade a number of times...remove the knife and turn it round and place it again in the same cut in the stick to do the other side...

Use this method everytime you set up a Fig of 4 trap...that way you are doing two things with your time...you have a trap mechanism and a means of sharpening at the right angle. Field sharpening is all about getting consistancy to the original edge you created and topping it up...but you do need an aide to get the angle right and this method is the best one for me.

I have seen people try and free hand sharpen and restore an edge and they usually make it more blunt due to lack of consistancy and proper angle. This method works similar to a "Sharpmaker" and it is easy to hold the stone properly vertical rather than at an angle.

Use the lanyard as a plumb line to get the vertical stick properly vertical. Practise this method and it works well quite quickly. Those who think that this method will just give a flat V grind edge need to factor in the slight variations with each stroke...the edge does remain "convexed"...particularly when you are just "topping up" the edge each time you set a trap.

I have used this method for a lot of years now...it works well. If you have an 8 inch blade...the other distance is 18.5 inches...these are approximate figs but that is all you need.

This might be easier explained through photo's...but it should not be to hard to visualise if you think about it. 23 degrees is my preferred edge angle on a chopping/survival knife but you can choose another...the principal is the same.

WOW!!! great explanation....you provide great instruction tutorials...I have seen them before...

Thank you ....

I do have a handle on sharpening, although I must admit, I learned long ago, on stones, and steels....I do want to try the old belt sander though...just gotta get some belts...and cheaper blades...to screw up with...cuz I will..

I know a little about geometry, too...

Now where do I get the belts...?

Doc


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Re: Who Change's The Edge On Their Busse-knives? [Re: DocSavage] #354306 07/09/09 01:26 AM
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Now where do I get the belts...?

http://www.leevalley.com


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Re: Who Change's The Edge On Their Busse-knives? [Re: Recon422] #354307 07/09/09 01:26 AM
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I'm taking my blades and dragging a Smith's carbide knife sharpener across them.
LMAO.

I love those...almost as much as the electric on on my can opener....now that is the bomb diggity...

Doc


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Re: Who Change's The Edge On Their Busse-knives? [Re: DocSavage] #354308 07/09/09 01:28 AM
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If you're looking for sanding belts, I've bought some from this company before, and found them to be good.
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Re: Who Change's The Edge On Their Busse-knives? [Re: Andy Wayne] #354309 07/09/09 02:10 AM
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Now where do I get the belts...?

http://www.leevalley.com

Thanks....

Doc


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Re: Who Change's The Edge On Their Busse-knives? [Re: tyger75] #354310 07/09/09 02:11 AM
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If you're looking for sanding belts, I've bought some from this company before, and found them to be good.
Peach Tree

Thank you, too...

Doc


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Re: Who Change's The Edge On Their Busse-knives? [Re: tyger75] #354311 07/09/09 02:29 AM
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Thanks for the info!

Re: Who Change's The Edge On Their Busse-knives? [Re: DocSavage] #354312 07/09/09 02:33 AM
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[quote][quote]Cool. Hope you get to finish it. I finished my first and plan to start my second this weekend. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> They are fun albeit time consuming. And, Doc won't like this <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />, but I put a full convex grind on my first one and it turned out pretty good.
It looks like a knife and it cuts stuff. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

yuk yuk yuk....

Can I try it out on that rabbit tyger posted?...

Thumper for dinner anyone??

Doc


Yes you can, and we shall name him Thumper-Slayer! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />







Bring me my Hassenpfeffer!!!!!

Doc

LOL! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Just be careful, some of those rabbit are mighty vicious.

[Linked Image from upmyownass.com] <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> [/quote]


RUN AWAY!!!! RUN AWAY!!!!

Doc [/quote] [Linked Image from images47.fotki.com]


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Re: Who Change's The Edge On Their Busse-knives? [Re: ThePitbullofLove] #354313 07/09/09 02:52 AM
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Doc, chopping logs doesn't even come close to phasing my dogfather, even with the thin edge. It will easily outchop bigger, heavier knives with thicker edges and works about as quickly as a hatchet, while being suited to other jobs the hatchet doesn't work as well for like clearing vegetation. If I expected to chop logs all day I'd bring my two handed axe rather than the dogfather, but I still like testing my tools to see what they're capable of. Just like I'll cut up fruit with my S5 to see how it does even though in a normal scenario I'd reach for a much thinner blade for that job.

Convexed edges aren't any more work to field maintain if you use a microbevel <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Re: Who Change's The Edge On Their Busse-knives? [Re: Vivi] #354314 07/09/09 04:22 AM
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So 21 out of 22 people feel the need to modify the edge,maybe someone should start some sort of poll or post so we can determine what size ranges of knives we are are most unhappy with and what sort of edges we would like as stock and provide some positive feedback to the Busse-Kin family?
I have been quite happy with my SRKW RMD and Chopweiler,they have both sliced wood very reasonably.My Bandicoot took quite a bit of work( it is now not great but ok ) and I gave up entirely on my DM CG, not having any power tools it would have taken too much time and effort to modify.

Re: Who Change's The Edge On Their Busse-knives? [Re: pitman] #354315 07/09/09 06:22 PM
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When I got my Scrapper 6 I didn't like the edge and my Bravo 2 would out-cut it, but since I put the convex edge on it I like it a lot more. I was doing some yard work last week and trying to fit stones together in a path. One stone would not match up so I "cut" a 3/4" x 3/4" x 1.5" chunk out of it with two swift hits from the S6. I got the stone block to fit nicely and thought for sure I would have some edge rolling or even chipping that I would have to fix. I stared at that blade for a good minute or more and couldn't find any damage what-so-ever. I wish I would have taken a picture. I am truly amazed at that blade now. That was with a sharp convex edge on it. I must say that the Scrapper 6 has really been growing on me. I also convexed a Busse High Street but I've left my other BusseKin's alone for now (maybe not for long). I really like the convex on blades 7" and smaller but I haven't tried it on the larger blades yet. If the S6 is representative, I really see no reason *not* to have a convex edge, although I know its not the only way to go. If the edge is not damaged it only takes a couple minutes to bring it right back up.

I plan to leave my S5 alone for now. It is already shaving sharp, as delivered.

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