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Re: If you wanna be on the Regulator Bowie Test Team.. [Re: Dumpster Dan] #356535 07/20/09 08:47 PM
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I am glad you got in.

Although not from Texas I spent 5 years in Dallas and 6 in Houston. My 12 year old proudly wears horns everywhere he goes

Welcome to the Yard

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Does that make Vic an honorary Texan?


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Re: If you wanna be on the Regulator Bowie Test Team.. [Re: Art] #356536 07/20/09 09:42 PM
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My email from Renee last week said my Reg would ship this week.

Just got back from vacation in Houston and Austin. The reason Austin is so dadgum liberal is because of the faculty at UT, probably in the thousands, that vote and influence students to vote the same way.

Re: If you wanna be on the Regulator Bowie Test Team.. [Re: rackemup] #356537 07/20/09 09:50 PM
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Same with the teachers and prf's in Ohio. It amazing how they influence the students minds. My HS grad went from right to left after his teachers spewed their opinions. Eventually he will wise up.


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Re: If you wanna be on the Regulator Bowie Test Team.. [Re: rackemup] #356538 07/20/09 09:51 PM
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BT4, welcome to the board. Oh yeah, that avatar is offensive but not too bad <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif" alt="" />

Good news on the Regulator too.


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Re: If you wanna be on the Regulator Bowie Test Team.. [Re: Sigfest] #356539 07/21/09 12:02 AM
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Same with the teachers and prf's in Ohio. It amazing how they influence the students minds. My HS grad went from right to left after his teachers spewed their opinions. Eventually he will wise up.


I'd like to address this silly notion that the evil liberal professors of the world are corrupting the innocent minds of our youth.

I've been directly involved in higher education since 1997, first as an undergraduate student, then as a lab instructor, followed by graduate school to get my PhD, and finally a recent change to a postdoctoral position where I'm directly responsible for both teaching and mentoring everything from freshman students to experienced seniors and graduate fellows.


NOT ONCE, in over a decade of college experience, spanning direct employment at three different universities, and collaborations and conferences with hundreds more, have I EVER felt like a "liberal teacher" was forcing his beliefs upon me.

In fact, in that decade of experience, the ONLY professor I EVER saw being pushy and forceful with his political beliefs was a conservative.



The reality of it is, much like high school, college students, for the most part, don't really care what their professors think - whether that's apathy, rebellion, or outright disdain for teachers who, quite frankly, are often far more interested in their own research than teaching ANYTHING to the students, including political beliefs.

The real influence is the students around them. A bunch of young people, put together without parental influence, is naturally going to lean toward the liberal side - ESPECIALLY when the conservative talk show hosts have put so much effort into painting the left as some "liberal elite", and marginalizing the educated - well, these students are becoming the educated, and starting to feel the hatred directed at them.

THAT, my friends, is a far more powerful influence than the teachers who the students probably dislike anyway.



Furthermore, my anecdotal observations have shown a very reproducible trend - students from ultra-liberal backgrounds are more likely to swing towards the conservative when they are in college, and students from ultra-conservative backgrounds are more likely to move to the left. That's simple youthful rebellion at work. Those from more moderate backgrounds, on either side of the fence, are more likely to retain beliefs in line with those of their parents.




My overall point? As someone who has gone deep into debt, and resigned himself to a lifetime of pay too low for the level of education, with long hours and little recognition of my work, I am personally deeply offended by the implication that I, or any of my colleagues, are part of some left-wing conspiracy to corrupt the minds of your students. It takes every ounce of effort I can muster to get your brats to give a crap about quantum mechanics, let alone try to undo the deep-seated personal beliefs that you have instilled in them for the last eighteen years. If four years away can truly change your teachings that much, perhaps you should look inwards into the way you raised them, and stop blaming the educators who work with too little funding, too little respect, and too little time for our own families.

Re: If you wanna be on the Regulator Bowie Test Team.. [Re: MustardMan] #356540 07/21/09 12:24 AM
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I hear ya MM but the fact is that a lot of colleges and their faculties are liberal (just like Hollywood and the media for the most part) - especially the Ivy league schools. I could care less about what their ideologies are as long as they keep them to themselves. I don't want them trying to push their opinions off on the kids any more than I want doctors or any other authority figure doing it.

But, like your experiences, I never had any professor try to force or persuade their liberal ideas onto me in 6 years of college. Good thing, cause I definitely would have given him/her a piece of my mind. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />


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Re: If you wanna be on the Regulator Bowie Test Team.. [Re: MustardMan] #356541 07/21/09 12:26 AM
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I'm so excited to get the Regulator and see what it can do!

Thanks Dan and the whole Scrap Yard team! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />


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Re: If you wanna be on the Regulator Bowie Test Te [Re: MustardMan] #356542 07/21/09 12:27 AM
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CHILL brother as a dad with two kids in post secondary education I find it disturbing to believe that you think they are brats.
I would hope you just spoke in anger and I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.
However you may want to look at your post once again


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Re: If you wanna be on the Regulator Bowie Test Te [Re: coyotebc] #356543 07/21/09 12:30 AM
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CHILL brother as a dad with two kids in post secondary education I find it disturbing to believe that you think they are brats.
I would hope you just spoke in anger and I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.
However you may want to look at your post once again

Nope, no need to look at my post again - it's bad enough that I have to deal with the entitlement mentality of young people, and the complete lack of respect they show me in the classroom. I don't need the media and people on a shared interest board accusing me and all of my ilk of ruining their children.



As KS said, a vast majority of people in academic fields lean towards the liberal side, but that doesn't mean we deserve the kind of ridicule, accusations, and derision we face from the right on a daily basis. That very disrespect might be a large part of the REASON so many of my colleagues are liberals.

Re: If you wanna be on the Regulator Bowie Test Te [Re: MustardMan] #356544 07/21/09 12:32 AM
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Same with the teachers and prf's in Ohio. It amazing how they influence the students minds. My HS grad went from right to left after his teachers spewed their opinions. Eventually he will wise up.


I'd like to address this silly notion that the evil liberal professors of the world are corrupting the innocent minds of our youth.

I've been directly involved in higher education since 1997, first as an undergraduate student, then as a lab instructor, followed by graduate school to get my PhD, and finally a recent change to a postdoctoral position where I'm directly responsible for both teaching and mentoring everything from freshman students to experienced seniors and graduate fellows.


NOT ONCE, in over a decade of college experience, spanning direct employment at three different universities, and collaborations and conferences with hundreds more, have I EVER felt like a "liberal teacher" was forcing his beliefs upon me.

In fact, in that decade of experience, the ONLY professor I EVER saw being pushy and forceful with his political beliefs was a conservative.



The reality of it is, much like high school, college students, for the most part, don't really care what their professors think - whether that's apathy, rebellion, or outright disdain for teachers who, quite frankly, are often far more interested in their own research than teaching ANYTHING to the students, including political beliefs.

The real influence is the students around them. A bunch of young people, put together without parental influence, is naturally going to lean toward the liberal side - ESPECIALLY when the conservative talk show hosts have put so much effort into painting the left as some "liberal elite", and marginalizing the educated - well, these students are becoming the educated, and starting to feel the hatred directed at them.

THAT, my friends, is a far more powerful influence than the teachers who the students probably dislike anyway.



Furthermore, my anecdotal observations have shown a very reproducible trend - students from ultra-liberal backgrounds are more likely to swing towards the conservative when they are in college, and students from ultra-conservative backgrounds are more likely to move to the left. That's simple youthful rebellion at work. Those from more moderate backgrounds, on either side of the fence, are more likely to retain beliefs in line with those of their parents.




My overall point? As someone who has gone deep into debt, and resigned himself to a lifetime of pay too low for the level of education, with long hours and little recognition of my work, I am personally deeply offended by the implication that I, or any of my colleagues, are part of some left-wing conspiracy to corrupt the minds of your students. It takes every ounce of effort I can muster to get your brats to give a crap about quantum mechanics, let alone try to undo the deep-seated personal beliefs that you have instilled in them for the last eighteen years. If four years away can truly change your teachings that much, perhaps you should look inwards into the way you raised them, and stop blaming the educators who work with too little funding, too little respect, and too little time for our own families.

I gotta give a +1 to that! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />


Please don't blame the teachers it is their peers and them experiencing life. There is a whole world out there and our children need to grow on their own. We can instill values into them but in the end it is up for them to choose.

I have seen far to often children who have been repressed by their parents and have no thoughts of their own and no idea of any side of issues. I am not just talking politics here. I work as a trainer in a financial institution and recently had two High school interns come work with me. One hated Banks (I work at a Credit Union) the only thing his parents had taught him was "Banks steel your money" while I agree there are many financial institutions out there only for themselves this is not always the case. I did not inflict my point of view or beliefs on him, I only showed how we operate, and at the end of two weeks he came away with a new perspective.

I have felt a bit attacked by the last few posts on this thread, I am a Gun owner, I love knives, I believe in "The Right to Choose", and for the most part would call myself a Democrat. Do I believe everything Liberals believe? No! Do I agree with some Conservative policies? Yes.

I have to thank my parents for giving me a well-rounded upbringing. They showed me all sides of issues, ranging from politics, to Religion, to drinking, to how to eat, to treating friends, neighbors, and foes.

I understand stating your opinion and some good humored jibbing but I don't feel this is the place for it, and this Thread is way off track. Please lets get back to talking about steel.


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Re: If you wanna be on the Regulator Bowie Test Team.. [Re: KnotSlip] #356545 07/21/09 12:34 AM
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But, like your experiences, I never had any professor try to force or persuade their liberal ideas onto me in 6 years of college. Good thing, cause I definitely would have given him/her a piece of my mind. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

And that's exactly my point - if anyone is pushing their beliefs, it's the other kids, not the professors. Professors have so much other crap occupying their days that they simply don't have the free time it would require to reprogram the hundreds of students who pass through their classrooms every semester.


Easier to blame the mythical "academic elite" than accept that your childrens' views might change and evolve as they age or experience new things.


I know for me, personally, I came from a slightly liberal background, and took on a far more libertarian bent when I entered college, and even that has changed as I've moved on from those days.

Re: If you wanna be on the Regulator Bowie Test Team.. [Re: MustardMan] #356546 07/21/09 12:37 AM
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Yep, that Regulator is one sweet piece of steel, and the folks at Scrap Yard Knife Company (the ones that put this forum up for us) are so cool to let us be a part of the test team.

Whoohoo, this is gonna be sweet, eh fellas? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />


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