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Re: Does anyone else not care for choils? [Re: Joe Fowler] #382346 12/18/09 04:22 PM
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Get a Vex Joe- they are awesome <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />. Matter of fact- buy yourself a pair for Christmas- you deserve it. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Does anyone else not care for choils? [Re: ordawg1] #382347 12/18/09 04:33 PM
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I DO deserve it!

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Re: Does anyone else not care for choils? [Re: Joe Fowler] #382348 12/18/09 05:05 PM
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That part is EASY. After 38 years I am the MASTER. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> Just take about 20 % of all your income and put it in an account. Something like........." Joe's Special Account" <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> . She will NEVER know. Heck- look at everything ole Tiger got away with- and we are just taking a few bucks for some toys. Well........I guss he had toys too <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" />- ours are at least a BUNCH less expensive <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />. Plus- he got attcaked with his golf clubs- our wives would have guns and knives <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Does anyone else not care for choils? [Re: crpoc] #382349 12/18/09 05:26 PM
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I think Busse puts those choils on just to anger "bushcraft" knife users. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Does anyone else not care for choils? [Re: Horn Dog] #382350 12/18/09 06:14 PM
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Personally, I really like choils.
No particular reason for the preference, I just like them.


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Re: Does anyone else not care for choils? [Re: Horn Dog] #382351 12/18/09 06:15 PM
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I'd prefen no choil on most knives, but then agian ive never let one deter me from a knife either.


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Re: Does anyone else not care for choils? [Re: mpalmer1000] #382352 12/18/09 06:31 PM
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Definitely depends on the knife. On a larger knife or a knife designed with a useful choil, it gives you much better control when using the tip of the blade. Also a choil on a folding knife becomes an extra security feature, since it will be harder for the blade to snap shut if the lock fails.

It can also be a compromise between blade length and handle length, effectively cutting a few inches off the overall length of your knife. The part of the blade with the choil will still reach into a soft medium, and when you need to use the knife for other things, you get more handle space. Something with the standard mudder handle is a good example of this, because the handle is smaller than it would have had to be if the choil wasn't there.

So I would say it depends on what the knife is going to be used for, how big it is and how it is designed.

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Re: Does anyone else not care for choils? [Re: monsterdog] #382353 12/18/09 08:45 PM
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Definitely depends on the knife. On a larger knife or a knife designed with a useful choil, it gives you much better control when using the tip of the blade. Also a choil on a folding knife becomes an extra security feature, since it will be harder for the blade to snap shut if the lock fails.

It can also be a compromise between blade length and handle length, effectively cutting a few inches off the overall length of your knife. The part of the blade with the choil will still reach into a soft medium, and when you need to use the knife for other things, you get more handle space. Something with the standard mudder handle is a good example of this, because the handle is smaller than it would have had to be if the choil wasn't there.

So I would say it depends on what the knife is going to be used for, how big it is and how it is designed.

Good points. Some things I never really thought of because they just didn't really effect me. I can see why someone would like a bigger handle on a folder.

I am reminded of the Spyderco Native. I love Spydercos in general but I think the Native is one of the worst designed knives they make. Other people absolutely LOVE the Native and think it is one of the best knives Spyderco makes.

I think for people who prefer a larger handle to blade ratio or people worried about the lock failing the choil on a folder is a good thing. Also, some people use their knife for finer work or have learned to grip it in a way that a choil helps them.

For me, when doing fine work, I don't grip it in a way that the choil helps anyway. I would NEVER use the choil when needing a solid grip for tough tasks so basically I have to grip behind the choil and lose both handle and cutting edge.

As knives are intensely personal items, I can see that making one work for all people is impossible. If it has a choil, people will want one that doesn't. If it is flat ground, some people will want hollow or saber. If it is coated, some people will want uncoated. If it has a mudder or Res-c grip, some will want a micarta grip. And on it goes. When you factor in all the variables and combos, it will be rare that a knife doesn't have at least a couple of features that you won't like.

It seems like most of us can agree that a short bladed fixed blade does not need a choil. That is fine, I don't mind a choil on a 6"+ blade but on my 4" blade, I feel like I am getting screwed somehow.

Re: Does anyone else not care for choils? [Re: pitman] #382354 12/18/09 09:39 PM
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Choils are here to stay. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif" alt="" />

I wouldn't be too sure, one thing that can be said about the Busse-kin family is that they do seem to listen to the customers ! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />


Sorry, but I'm a bit bitter right now that tons of people have been clamoring for a combat grade SAR8 that they could actually afford to buy and use, and Jerry just released four more expensive satin variations, so I'm not feeling the "listen to the customers" vibe right now.

Re: Does anyone else not care for choils? [Re: MustardMan] #382355 12/18/09 11:41 PM
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i love choils. Give me a nice roach belly knife with a choil and i'm in heaven.


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Re: Does anyone else not care for choils? [Re: MustardMan] #382356 12/19/09 12:01 AM
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No choil for me please.

Re: Does anyone else not care for choils? [Re: Agent Iron] #382357 12/19/09 12:21 AM
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It depends on the knife but for the most part i could live without the choils. If I need to do some detail work I'll reach for my folder or multitool blade.


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