My new fire-kit !
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Not too bad weatherwise today, little cool but that's nice, so off I set with some of the kit that Talfuchre from bladeforums sent me ! We've had tons of rain, there was water coming from every direction ya looked, even the main trail was like a small stream ! Maisy deciding whether to take a polar bear swim or not ! Onto the kit.... Talfuchre has covered every angle in these kits, there is Fatwood,Jute, Char cloth, tinder fungus,Rubber inner tubing, Ferro rod and striker ! This was the first time I'd used Char cloth, I didn't use the tinder fungus today ! This fire-starter was something that I was keen to try.... As I struggled to get it to light I added some char cloth, man this stuff takes an ember straight away ! I could still only manage to get smoke though and so then added some fatwood shavings.....you can just make out the smoke to the left...... A little more blowing, man I felt like a proper bushcrafter blowing my tinder, hey fire ! In trying to get pics of stuff I managed to let this go out before I could get it under my fire bundle....most of which had been taken by the Tiny terror !!!! As time was getting on it was back to using what I'm used to and shaved some of the fatwood from the tin onto my fire bundle ( what was left of it) and a few strikes of the ferro rod later I had fire ! To give ya an idea of how wet and damp everything is on the West coast, in the time I had taken this pic of the Terror sniffing where some Otters had been and drinking a cup of tea the fire had gone out !!! Yeah I know I didn't tend it but once you get one to that stage it doesn't usually go out eh !!!! Anyway my thanks again to Talfuchre, I'm going to practice with the fire starter using different tinder mixes till I master it. I think this will be a great tool for starting a fire in wet weather as your tinder is more or less sheltered from the elements till you set it under your fire bundle !
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Re: My new fire-kit !
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01/07/10 01:17 AM
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Wow 24 views and not one comment, have I upset everyone ? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />
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Re: My new fire-kit !
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01/07/10 01:58 AM
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Handy looking kit Pitman,nice pics.Good looking dogs too.The pic of Terror is especially nice,like he/she(?)was posing,good timing. The char cloth I haven't heard of.Cotton I assume.Is it all charred,or is some left uncharred.Also what are the tube bands for,burning?And what type of fungus is in the kit?Thanks. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
SYKCO JYD#112 It's better to have it & not need it, than to need it & not have it.
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Re: My new fire-kit !
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01/07/10 01:59 AM
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SYKCO JYD#112 It's better to have it & not need it, than to need it & not have it.
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Re: My new fire-kit !
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01/07/10 02:02 AM
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This is my first view, sweet thread. Nice fire kit. More people should venture over to the Outdoor forum. Personally, I always check it first.
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Re: My new fire-kit !
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01/07/10 02:16 AM
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Handy looking kit Pitman,nice pics.Good looking dogs too.The pic of Terror is especially nice,like he/she(?)was posing,good timing. The char cloth I haven't heard of.Cotton I assume.Is it all charred,or is some left uncharred.Also what are the tube bands for,burning?And what type of fungus is in the kit?Thanks. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Cheers buddy, Terror (real name Snicker)is very much a girl unlike Maisy who is a girl but acts like a boy if ya know what I mean, LOL ! Yeah Char cloth is cotton that has been charred so due to it being partially burned it takes a spark straight away. It is often used with traditional flint and steels ! The tube bands are sections of regular bicycle inner tube, this will burn even when wet and also burns long enough to get any other tinder ya have going as well. The Fungus is called Tinder fungus and is a type of bracket fungi that has been dried. I have still yet to use this stuff but from what I understand it will smoulder for a very long time and can be blown back into a hot ember when you stop. It is therefore a fire that you can carry with you !!!
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Re: My new fire-kit !
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01/07/10 03:33 AM
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I have the same "tinderbox & firestarter", It came with a fire piston that I won the auction of on Ebay. Verry handy tool in combination with the fire piston. Also I like the idea of the fire piston of you take care of your gear you would always be able to make fire without any special materials,....
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Re: My new fire-kit !
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01/07/10 03:57 AM
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Handy looking kit Pitman,nice pics.Good looking dogs too.The pic of Terror is especially nice,like he/she(?)was posing,good timing. The char cloth I haven't heard of.Cotton I assume.Is it all charred,or is some left uncharred.Also what are the tube bands for,burning?And what type of fungus is in the kit?Thanks. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Cheers buddy, Terror (real name Snicker)is very much a girl unlike Maisy who is a girl but acts like a boy if ya know what I mean, LOL ! Yeah Char cloth is cotton that has been charred so due to it being partially burned it takes a spark straight away. It is often used with traditional flint and steels ! The tube bands are sections of regular bicycle inner tube, this will burn even when wet and also burns long enough to get any other tinder ya have going as well. The Fungus is called Tinder fungus and is a type of bracket fungi that has been dried. I have still yet to use this stuff but from what I understand it will smoulder for a very long time and can be blown back into a hot ember when you stop. It is therefore a fire that you can carry with you !!! Thanks for the info Pitman. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />I figured the bands were for burning.Gotta get some of that Tinder fungus for the SHTF kit. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
SYKCO JYD#112 It's better to have it & not need it, than to need it & not have it.
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Re: My new fire-kit !
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01/07/10 04:07 AM
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This is my first view, sweet thread. Nice fire kit. More people should venture over to the Outdoor forum. Personally, I always check it first. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> on that Imaginefj
SYKCO JYD#112 It's better to have it & not need it, than to need it & not have it.
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Re: My new fire-kit !
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01/07/10 04:51 AM
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Yeah, I always check this side of the forum first as well. Don't know, just gets me in the mood to see what else is going on. Oh BTW Pit, Great pics as usual. thanks
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Re: My new fire-kit !
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01/07/10 12:16 PM
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Nice little fire kit and great pics too.
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Re: My new fire-kit !
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01/07/10 01:09 PM
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If you ever want to make char cloth yourself, it's really easy and you can make huge stockpiles of the stuff quickly.
You will need: - fire - a fire-proof steel (not aluminum, not tin) container which seals reasonably tightly - a screwdriver, nail, awl, or similar tool - cloth of cotton or linen. Do not use synthetics or synthetic blends. Some people swear by old bath towels, but I've not had any problems with old T-shirts, or even new fabric
1.) Cut your cloth into squares. The bigger the piece, the longer it burns, but the more wasteful it becomes. Between 1 inch and 2 inches square should be fine.
2.) Take your steel container and punch a small hole in the top of it. It only needs to be 1/8th of an inch or so.
3.) Stuff the cloth into the container. Do not pack tightly. Just toss it in casually until the container is full. Put the lid on.
4.) Build your fire. Once you start to see coals and your fire is really starting to generate some heat, put the container into the fire. Try to pile coals around it so that is being heated from all sides.
5.) After a while, you will see smoke escaping from the vent hole in the container. It will get progressively more nasty until eventually the gasses discharging from the vent hole will ignite. Once this flame goes out, promptly remove the container from the heat and let it cool.
6.) When the container is cool enough to handle with your bare hands, you can open it. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Char cloth should be a rich pure black, but it should still be cloth. That is it should be flexible. If you end up with something so brittle that it crumbles when you touch it, or if there is just a cup full of char in the bottom of the container, you cooked the cloth too long. Start over.
If the cloth is not black, but dark brown, and does not catch a spark easily, you didn't cook it long enough. You can throw it back on the fire.
If the cloth is black in places but has brown spots, it didn't cook thoroughly. This could be because you packed too much cloth in (there needs to be air space for the heat to get in and the exhaust gasses to get out), because the container was not heated evenly (remember to bank the coals up a bit), or your container is just too big.
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Re: My new fire-kit !
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01/07/10 02:55 PM
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Great thread and kit. Always love seeing your dogs in the wild.
Men you can't trust, women you can't trust, beasts you can't trust, but Bussekin steel you can trust
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Re: My new fire-kit !
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If you ever want to make char cloth yourself, it's really easy and you can make huge stockpiles of the stuff quickly.
You will need: - fire - a fire-proof steel (not aluminum, not tin) container which seals reasonably tightly - a screwdriver, nail, awl, or similar tool - cloth of cotton or linen. Do not use synthetics or synthetic blends. Some people swear by old bath towels, but I've not had any problems with old T-shirts, or even new fabric
1.) Cut your cloth into squares. The bigger the piece, the longer it burns, but the more wasteful it becomes. Between 1 inch and 2 inches square should be fine.
2.) Take your steel container and punch a small hole in the top of it. It only needs to be 1/8th of an inch or so.
3.) Stuff the cloth into the container. Do not pack tightly. Just toss it in casually until the container is full. Put the lid on.
4.) Build your fire. Once you start to see coals and your fire is really starting to generate some heat, put the container into the fire. Try to pile coals around it so that is being heated from all sides.
5.) After a while, you will see smoke escaping from the vent hole in the container. It will get progressively more nasty until eventually the gasses discharging from the vent hole will ignite. Once this flame goes out, promptly remove the container from the heat and let it cool.
6.) When the container is cool enough to handle with your bare hands, you can open it. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Char cloth should be a rich pure black, but it should still be cloth. That is it should be flexible. If you end up with something so brittle that it crumbles when you touch it, or if there is just a cup full of char in the bottom of the container, you cooked the cloth too long. Start over.
If the cloth is not black, but dark brown, and does not catch a spark easily, you didn't cook it long enough. You can throw it back on the fire.
If the cloth is black in places but has brown spots, it didn't cook thoroughly. This could be because you packed too much cloth in (there needs to be air space for the heat to get in and the exhaust gasses to get out), because the container was not heated evenly (remember to bank the coals up a bit), or your container is just too big. Cool,thanks for the info.What sort of steel container do you recommend.The thrift stores always have those containers that come full of popcorn or cookies.Are they adequate or to thin?I imagine if they are made of steel and not soldered together they would work?
SYKCO JYD#112 It's better to have it & not need it, than to need it & not have it.
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Re: My new fire-kit !
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01/08/10 05:07 AM
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Some people swear by Altoids tins. I use a tin that contained tea, it's about 2 by 3 inches at the base by 3 inches tall. Think small. You can get a LOT of cloth scraps into a tin even without forcing it. If you're going to try and use some kind of like a cookie tin, broad and flat, the challenge is going to be heating it evenly so that you don't end up with a wide variety of different levels of charring. Something like a 2 gallon popcorn tin is just total overkill. A normal steel soup can would probably work fine if you have a side-cutting can opener and use mechanic's wire to hold it closed.
The thickness of the container isn't really a factor, the steel isn't going to get hot enough to have any problems just laying in an open fire. But solder would melt, that's a good point.
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Re: My new fire-kit !
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01/08/10 02:31 PM
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good thread!! lots of info!
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Re: My new fire-kit !
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01/08/10 09:51 PM
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Ok,smaller tin makes sense,you don't need to make a lot at a time<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif" alt="" />,thanks.
SYKCO JYD#112 It's better to have it & not need it, than to need it & not have it.
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