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Re: Poll: Reinforcing the Regulator Guard [Re: Joe Fowler] #389697 02/10/10 03:26 AM
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Agreed!

Moving on!

Where's that ScrapAxe?

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Or Scrap Sword


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Re: Poll: Reinforcing the Regulator Guard [Re: myketheknife] #389698 02/10/10 05:55 AM
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fer DAWGS SAKE give us slobbering mutts a tactical tomahawk axe!

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Yes. If the knife is used AS INTENDED, the rubber guard is probably sufficient. The problem is, people routinely push Bussekin knives beyond their design parameters because they expect Bussekin knives to be able to take it. If only people were more sensible. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

So are you insinuating that Dan should tell us the "AS INTENDED" use for every knife so that we make sure it is "sufficient" for our use?

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Re: Poll: Reinforcing the Regulator Guard [Re: MustardMan] #389700 02/10/10 12:12 PM
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The guard serves its purpose, which is to keep your hand from sliding forward.


However, the guard is not sturdy enough to stand up to the "hard use" that we expect out of scrap yard blades. Batoning is the most obvious place the res-c guard could be damaged, but many other tasks could do so as well - digging and prying and carving up car doors - all of these are places where the unsupported guard could be easily chewed into nothing.


And I've just gotta <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> at the "right tool for the job" excuse. If we were only using the right tool for the job, we wouldn't buy extremely hard use knives like those from scrap yard in the first place. Dan wouldn't have had to demonstrate that the 154cm on the mud puppy could be hammered into a pipe without damage, if these things were supposed to be limited to the "right tool for the job".

Unless you're doing nothing with your regulator but slicing veggies or sticking it in a safe, you're likely to come across a task that could easily damage the poorly designed and implemented guard.


And tell me, what exactly *IS* the right job for the regulator, hmm? I sure don't plan on killing too many people any time soon, so what job should I be using a huge, obscenely thick Bowie knife for, if not chopping and splitting wood? Surely you don't expect me to believe that Dan is offering a dedicated fighting knife, and anyone who doesn't stab people should be making it a safe queen?

"poorly designed and implemented guard"

Didn't you previously post over and over how much you loved the Regulator?

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Re: Poll: Reinforcing the Regulator Guard [Re: MustardMan] #389701 02/10/10 12:21 PM
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People buy combat knives, just like people buy skinning knives. I'm not Dan so I can't say exactly what he had in mind for the Regulator but it looks like a fighter to me.

It looks like a Bowie to me. But even if I concede that it is a pure fighter design, I still think it's dumb to claim anyone using it for anything other than fighting isn't using "the right tool for the job" or any other such nonsense

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Should anyone not gutting animals and using a "skinner" oriented knife to cut veggies make it a safe queen? Honestly I'm 100% sure you know more about the Regulator than I do, But with such a wide variety of knives that have been offered so far am I insane for thinking there might be a fighter in the lineup?

That is my point though - the Muk is a skinner design, yet people USE the dang thing for all kinds of jobs, and no one says "hey thats not the right tool for the job!!!"



The guard design on the regulator is poor. I'm sorry if that's not politically correct or sounds unkind of me, but that is my opinion. That amount of res-c, protruding in that fashion, is simply not up to the hard use we expect out of Scrap Yard knives. I am disappointed to see folks making so many excuses to justify such a terrible design choice, and even more disappointed to see people trying to tell others how they should be using their knives, to keep them from hitting the limitations of that poor design choice.


I have praised the regulator thoroughly since the test team period was up, because I was absolutely certain that Dan would rectify such a glaringly huge shortcoming in the knife. When he didn't, I was more than disappointed - I felt bad for anyone who reads my glowing reviews and ends up buying a knife that is, IMHO, not up to the standards of quality design I've come to expect from the yard.


Again, sorry if that hurts anyone's feelings, but I am a fan of quality products and hard use knives, and with the omission of any protection for the huge protruding chunks of res-c in the guard, I don't think the regulator fits EITHER of those descriptions.

Even without the guard, I'll buy your share. Send me the ones you have. Quit the whining and complaining.

I like the design and I totally disagree with your statements in this thread.
Did you send in such statements to Scrap Yard in your email reviews?

I posted my emails in another thread recently. Dan, Patti, and Renee know what I think of this knife.

Now we all know what you think.

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Re: Poll: Reinforcing the Regulator Guard [Re: BillyJoeBobJim] #389702 02/10/10 12:23 PM
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The guard serves its purpose, which is to keep your hand from sliding forward.


However, the guard is not sturdy enough to stand up to the "hard use" that we expect out of scrap yard blades. Batoning is the most obvious place the res-c guard could be damaged, but many other tasks could do so as well - digging and prying and carving up car doors - all of these are places where the unsupported guard could be easily chewed into nothing.


And I've just gotta <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> at the "right tool for the job" excuse. If we were only using the right tool for the job, we wouldn't buy extremely hard use knives like those from scrap yard in the first place. Dan wouldn't have had to demonstrate that the 154cm on the mud puppy could be hammered into a pipe without damage, if these things were supposed to be limited to the "right tool for the job".

Unless you're doing nothing with your regulator but slicing veggies or sticking it in a safe, you're likely to come across a task that could easily damage the poorly designed and implemented guard.


And tell me, what exactly *IS* the right job for the regulator, hmm? I sure don't plan on killing too many people any time soon, so what job should I be using a huge, obscenely thick Bowie knife for, if not chopping and splitting wood? Surely you don't expect me to believe that Dan is offering a dedicated fighting knife, and anyone who doesn't stab people should be making it a safe queen?

"poorly designed and implemented guard"

Didn't you previously post over and over how much you loved the Regulator?

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I don't think everyone should jump all over him for not liking the guard. I'd prefer it if it had a sturdier guard as well. But I'll still buy one regardless of it. Take an ice pick for example. doesn't have any guard at all. Useful tool? Yes. Effective Weapon? Sure. Many Eastern European sabers/arabic daggers have zero guard what so ever and are still proven fighters/useful tools. A reinforced guard would be great.. Total deal breaker? I don't think so...


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Re: Poll: Reinforcing the Regulator Guard [Re: BillyJoeBobJim] #389704 02/10/10 12:27 PM
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"poorly designed and implemented guard"

Didn't you previously post over and over how much you loved the Regulator?

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Yes, and those posts always came with the caveat "if they fix the one glaring issue, which is the guard". So many people complained about the guard that I pretty much assumed it would be fixed, as it was the only major problem with the otherwise near perfect design of the regulator.



I'd rather see the guard outright removed than have it sticking out there with no support. A blob of res-c with no metal around it lasts about two minutes of hard use. How do I know this? Because that's how long mine lasted on some simple batoning.

Re: Poll: Reinforcing the Regulator Guard [Re: BillyJoeBobJim] #389705 02/10/10 12:28 PM
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I really like the Regulator. I like my TT Regulators, and I will buy the Regulator as pictured with the changes Dan made. Yes, I wanted integral dual blade catches in front of the Res-C guard.

IMO this is a well-balanced, quick knife with the best grip yet from SY. I really, really like it. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Re: Poll: Reinforcing the Regulator Guard [Re: BillyJoeBobJim] #389706 02/10/10 12:34 PM
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I like the design and I totally disagree with your statements in this thread.
Did you send in such statements to Scrap Yard in your email reviews?

I posted my emails in another thread recently. Dan, Patti, and Renee know what I think of this knife.

Now we all know what you think.

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Yes, I emailed them, including pictures of the destroyed guard, within a week or two of buying my Regulator at Blade. I also made statements that the guard needed to be fixed when I posted my full length review and chopoff, exactly six months after I purchased the knife and was permitted to comment publicly about it.

It is only now that I am being more harsh about the guard, for two reasons - one, because I am shocked that it wasn't addressed, and I am hardly the only person who has noticed the problem (just look at the votes in this poll if you don't believe me). And two, because I am disappointed to see people defending this very poor design choice with a "if you don't like it, shut up about it" attitude.


I tested the hell out of both of my test team blades, including being stuck with a knife I HATED (the killa zilla), which cost me a month's mortgage payment and I was not allowed to sell for six months, despite the fact that the knife sucked. I think I earned the right to complain, especially given the fact that MANY people feel the same way I do about the guard.

Re: Poll: Reinforcing the Regulator Guard [Re: BillyJoeBobJim] #389707 02/10/10 12:35 PM
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IMO this is a well-balanced, quick knife with the best grip yet from SY. I really, really like it. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


I hope the blade still stays thick as hell. That thing would create serious holes. .44 Magnum of Bowies


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Re: Poll: Reinforcing the Regulator Guard [Re: Private Klink] #389708 02/10/10 12:40 PM
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Continual whining will not change anything and will make the forum more negative in general.

While certainly true, Tom, several folks have jumped down my throat for daring to point out the incredibly weak nature of the guard, even going so far as to accuse me of not using my knife properly. Who would have thought we'd see the day where fans of Bussekin steel would be telling someone "you're using your knife too hard" when it fails at a simple task like batoning firewood? My complaints would be a lot less vocal if not for the constant barrage of fanboyism that I've faced since daring to question the decision to do nothing about the guard.

The negativity doesn't just come from the criticisms of the design - it also comes from the kneejerk fanboyism that has people attacking others for the way they choose to use a 1/3 of an inch thick sharpened prybar.


Yes, Dan asked for our feedback, but considering the number of people who thought the guard was terrible, and the lack of even a single person who has said "I suggested a saber grind", I question the idea that he listened to it all that much.

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