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 Re: Meet The "Deregulator"
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The people that were most adamant about needing a modification were the folks that were advocating batoning. Their claim was not that they damaged the grip with the baton (yeah, right), but rather that the knife pivoted downward into the log when struck, damaging the grip. Wouldn't that mean that the modification would be needed on the sharp side of the the blade? Possibly the "batoners" would want it on both sides? I think that it is amazing that Dan would try so hard to accomodate everyone's wishes. Bravo, Dan. First off, I don't appreciate your "yeah, right" comment - it is trivially easy to damage the guard without hitting it with a baton. If you want to be rude and call me a liar, that's your prerogative, but I don't think that comments like that fit in with the spirit of the yard. Ignorant and rude tones like yours are EXACTLY what drove me to argue this point so often and what drove the tone of conversation around here into the ground. This is the situation, which has been explained ad nauseum: Knife is deep in log, so you can't hit the middle of the spine, so you hit the tip of the knife with a baton, while pushing down on the handle with your hand. Normally, the knife moves deeper into the log and splits it further. However, if the knife binds up, and doesn't move deeper into the log, since you are hitting the tip, the tip pivots downward, while the handle pivots upward, potentially driving the top guard into the log. To drive the BOTTOM guard into the log in the same fashion, you would have to be hitting the handle with the baton, which we all know is a bad idea since it's made from rubber. Since you use the term "batoners" with a seemingly derogatory tone, perhaps you've never tried it yourself, and shouldn't be attempting to judge the outcomes we have seen while engaging in this very standard, common, and accepted use of a hard-use woods knife. Just a thought.
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Re: Meet The "Deregulator"
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02/26/10 05:20 PM
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I agree - the modded handles are a big plus. I wouldn't mind sending my TT version in to have it fitted with a new handle that has the modded top guard. It would certainly look a lot nicer than my gorilla-glued current guard. I probably won't bother sending it in for a rehandle unless I happen to damage the top guard again, though, and that requires me to spend more time in the woods using the thing <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Meet The "Deregulator"
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Pass the brain bleach please <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/barf.gif" alt="" /> OT - I like the way the Deregulator looks, but think I'm going to order the standard model.
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Re: Meet The "Deregulator"
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DD214 The people that were most adamant about needing a modification were the folks that were advocating batoning. Their claim was not that they damaged the grip with the baton (yeah, right), but rather that the knife pivoted downward into the log when struck, damaging the grip. Wouldn't that mean that the modification would be needed on the sharp side of the the blade? Possibly the "batoners" would want it on both sides? I think that it is amazing that Dan would try so hard to accomodate everyone's wishes. Bravo, Dan. MM
First off, I don't appreciate your "yeah, right" comment - it is trivially easy to damage the guard without hitting it with a baton. If you want to be rude and call me a liar, that's your prerogative, but I don't think that comments like that fit in with the spirit of the yard. Ignorant and rude tones like yours are EXACTLY what drove me to argue this point so often and what drove the tone of conversation around here into the ground.
This is the situation, which has been explained ad nauseum: Knife is deep in log, so you can't hit the middle of the spine, so you hit the tip of the knife with a baton, while pushing down on the handle with your hand. Normally, the knife moves deeper into the log and splits it further. However, if the knife binds up, and doesn't move deeper into the log, since you are hitting the tip, the tip pivots downward, while the handle pivots upward, potentially driving the top guard into the log. To drive the BOTTOM guard into the log in the same fashion, you would have to be hitting the handle with the baton, which we all know is a bad idea since it's made from rubber.
Since you use the term "batoners" with a seemingly derogatory tone, perhaps you've never tried it yourself, and shouldn't be attempting to judge the outcomes we have seen while engaging in this very standard, common, and accepted use of a hard-use woods knife. Just a thought.
This thread: http://www.scrapyardknives.com/ubbthread...ge=0#Post374303Was not an idle warning. It takes two to argue. If you have that much trouble with someone's post, let a moderator know. See you both in a week.
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Re: Meet The "Deregulator"
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02/26/10 06:44 PM
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Thanks Chris - I just got in and read this! I guess SOME Dogs have to learn the hard way!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> Fellow Dogs - we Moderators -and Dan - are not kidding about keeping the forum a friendly place to hang out! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Meet The "Deregulator"
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02/26/10 06:52 PM
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I always wanted to ask why the guard with the finger choil on this model, but I'm
sure that will lead to trouble, but in my opinion, it would look so classic and beautiful without the choil, Anyways.. I think the people that did the "testing" of this blade shoulda had the final word or say... Everything might have come out alot smoother if a results graph or poll Was posted rather than opinions of testers vs non testers.
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Re: Meet The "Deregulator"
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F/C - the people testing the Regulator should NOT have the FINAL say - that right belongs to Dan Busse!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> He asked for, and received, ideas from the the Test Team members, but the final product is HIS decision, not ours. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Meet The "Deregulator"
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02/26/10 07:01 PM
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No no final say over the people that DIDNOT test
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Re: Meet The "Deregulator"
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Dan has the final say - PERIOD! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> I'm sure he looked at what everyone posted, whether they were on the Test Team or not. The T/T members obviously were able to post perhaps the best ideas due to the fact that they had Regulators in hand, but I know that Dan reads this forum and will listen to ANYONE within reason. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Meet The "Deregulator"
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02/26/10 09:10 PM
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True he has the final say, he can even paint them all pink, what I was getting at is the test team Was Made for a reason.... To find where it excels and where it's flawed, when a member pointed out a potentional flaw, anyone that wasn't on the TT had no cause to start an argument, while opinions will always vary and Dan did his best to accomadate more options ... A poll input or something should have been in so the blade could be discussed on a professional level... Rather than argued and best just guessed at. Maybe I looked at the TT as being something important.
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Re: Meet The "Deregulator"
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DD214 The people that were most adamant about needing a modification were the folks that were advocating batoning. Their claim was not that they damaged the grip with the baton (yeah, right), but rather that the knife pivoted downward into the log when struck, damaging the grip. Wouldn't that mean that the modification would be needed on the sharp side of the the blade? Possibly the "batoners" would want it on both sides? I think that it is amazing that Dan would try so hard to accomodate everyone's wishes. Bravo, Dan. MM
First off, I don't appreciate your "yeah, right" comment - it is trivially easy to damage the guard without hitting it with a baton. If you want to be rude and call me a liar, that's your prerogative, but I don't think that comments like that fit in with the spirit of the yard. Ignorant and rude tones like yours are EXACTLY what drove me to argue this point so often and what drove the tone of conversation around here into the ground.
This is the situation, which has been explained ad nauseum: Knife is deep in log, so you can't hit the middle of the spine, so you hit the tip of the knife with a baton, while pushing down on the handle with your hand. Normally, the knife moves deeper into the log and splits it further. However, if the knife binds up, and doesn't move deeper into the log, since you are hitting the tip, the tip pivots downward, while the handle pivots upward, potentially driving the top guard into the log. To drive the BOTTOM guard into the log in the same fashion, you would have to be hitting the handle with the baton, which we all know is a bad idea since it's made from rubber.
Since you use the term "batoners" with a seemingly derogatory tone, perhaps you've never tried it yourself, and shouldn't be attempting to judge the outcomes we have seen while engaging in this very standard, common, and accepted use of a hard-use woods knife. Just a thought.
This thread: http://www.scrapyardknives.com/ubbthread...ge=0#Post374303Was not an idle warning. It takes two to argue. If you have that much trouble with someone's post, let a moderator know. See you both in a week. Good job Chris! They're lucky you got to them first, because I would have dished out a 30 day suspension. We will not allow this forum to deteriorate again. AND I will state categorically that the ONLY way to damage the handle or top quillion on a Regulator when batoning is by operator error. Period! There are no "magic" logs that seal over the top of a blade as you split with it and there is no reason not to stop batoning if you hit a knot in the wood and the knife starts to rotate towards the handle unless you are either drunk or intentionally looking to damage your handle. And these imaginary concerns about the Res C guard not being strong enough to stop someone's hand when stabbing are completely unfounded. Statements like these that are based strictly on speculation, do nothing but damage the reputation of our company and our knives without any proof whatsoever. They are unfounded rumors and they will no longer be tolerated, and those who try to propogate them are no longer welcome here. Get it together or be sure to not let the dumpster lid hit ya where the good Lord split ya! So let's return to the topic at hand and move past this nonsense. To Reg or Dereg? That is the question! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> Dan
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