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Re: Gun suggestion [Re: tagati] #395051 04/05/10 06:57 PM
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Once you find a FFL (licenced gun seller) with an export licence, you have a lot of paperwork ahead of you. This from the ATF.

To export firearms other than sporting
shotguns or ammunition for firearms other
than sporting shotguns, the FFL from whom
you purchase the firearm/ammunition must be
registered with the Department of State, Office
of Defense Trade Controls (ODTC). The FFL
must obtain an export license from the ODTC
prior to exportation.

❖ The State Department recommends that
you provide the FFL with a letter from your
embassy on embassy letterhead explaining
why you want to export the firearm/
ammunition. You also should provide an
import authorization issued by the competent
Government office in your country.

As Tagati has quoted Vlad this is'nt an easy undertaking any more since the new regulations came in from the Office for Defense Trade Controls ....

I live in the UK and shoot for my Country and am the Sectretary for our National Association for F Class Rifle Shooting. I am also a lawyer by profession and have to deal with a lot of legal advice on firearm related matters. The rifles we need to shoot to be competitive mainly use U.S. actions,triggers,barrels and stocks and are custom built ... some of us used to use U.S. custom rifle builders and if we had an authorised slot on our firearms certificate for a rifle we could buy one in the U.S. and have him ship it to a FFL with the necessary export licence and they in turn could ship it to the UK to a Registered Firearms Dealer who had the necessary UK Import license for firearms. The licenses at both ends were or used to be "generic" for the type of firearms or firearm components to be shipped and lasted a year.

Now with recent changes in the U.S. every export license is "specific" to the goods to be shipped ... meaning that at the U.S. end of things the F.F.L. has to apply for a license for each transaction. Making it only cost effective for large orders so for individual items like a custom built rifle we now have to pay a supplimentary charge for them to apply for the paperwork ... and that is "if" the custom rifle builder is either prepared to do this himself or can find another friendly FFL who will do the job for him. It used to be a simple "favour" when the licenses were generic ... now it is a lot more hassle.

Translating this to your needs for a single pistol you would need to apply for an import license from your government to bring in a pistol based on your professional entitlement. You could ask a gun dealer in Romania to do this for you but like as not he would want to charge you European prices on the gun when selling it to you. So in all probability you would need to do this yourself. Once you have the license you would need to fax it to the U.S. FFL with whom you were doing the transaction and ask him to apply for an export license for the pistol. If you can find a FFL who is prepared to do this and charge a small fee for the paperwork .... well done .... it is'nt easy .... the organisations who do this are usually "distributors" and will usually only set up a "trade account" with a Firearms Dealer who is going to make repeated trade orders ... not a one off purchase.

When you look at the number of people involved it is not suprising that the profit mark up on a pistol is quite high by the time they are sold in Romania.

My thoughts would be to see if there are others in your department who would like a personal carry weapon other than the issue Glock and see if you could do a "group buy" from the factory of European Pistol makers.

They will have a department who simply deals with paperwork from their end and if you provise the "license" from your end and the order is a decent one they might do it. CZ are good like that and so are Sig and their pistols are the best IMO and I used to shoot pistols Internationally for my country before they were banned over here and I had to shoot abroad. I still have my Sig in Switzerland but cannot afford the time and money to practise to be good on the International circuit any more. If you get a "factory" deal .... you will get a really cheap price <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

If not then you need to start sending out a few e-mails to FFL's in the US ... and getting a license from your country ... if the order is a half decent one ... they might do it. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crossfingers.gif" alt="" />

Re: Gun suggestion [Re: MonkeyBomb] #395052 04/10/10 02:48 AM
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Glocks are a great service weapon. I have never had a problem with any of mine. But mine are 40 cals.

Over the past 15 years I've owned dozens of Glocks including: G17; G19; G20SF; G21; G1SF; G22; G23; G26; G27; G30; G37.

Late last year I sold all eight of my Glock 40 Deathray's. We only have 9mm's and one 10mm now.

Anyway, all of my Glocks have been 100% reliable EXCEPT for one G27 that I bought used for $329 at a gun show. When a dealer (that you've seen at gunshows for 10+ years) has an otherwise mint LOOKING Glock for $329....there is SOMETHING wrong with it.

My Glock round count has to be in the 10k range...they're boring really...

Load; Charge; Fire; Repeat /yawn

Just the way I like my handguns!


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Re: Gun suggestion [Re: Endeavour Morse] #395053 04/10/10 06:58 PM
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Thank you Steel Fan for your post , I think I'll start looking for a gun in Europa . In Romania a very few people are allowed by the law to own a gun an we don't have many dealers and they have only a few models for sale . I would like a FN Herstal ,or a H&K USP ,also Sig and Beretta 92 but are more expensive .
I never had any problems with my Glock ,allso my colleagues , but I don't really like it . I think a Glock iti would be the cheepest gun I could buy , there are some moddels made in Romania and I cand gat them from the factory but I would like something else .

Re: Gun suggestion [Re: vladdracul] #395054 04/11/10 07:46 PM
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I have owned an XD-40 which is my first handgun. I have a CCW license in Florida but honestly, I don't carry much because of the size and weight of the XD. So, I started shopping for a decent concealed carry size 9mm and just bought a used German polizei model Sig P6 (P225). I absolutely love the feel of this pistol in the hand and even though it is only slightly smaller than the XD it is a single stack 8+1 so most of the weight saved is the difference between nine 9mm rounds v/s 12+1 40 S&W rounds. I'm looking for a nice pocket holster and I'll be good to go.

Good luck with your future purchase.

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Re: Gun suggestion [Re: rackemup] #395055 04/13/10 12:50 AM
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Not thinking the P6/225 is a pocket gun. Unless you got big cargo pockets and a few mags in the other pocket to help with the sag. A good IWB, Milt Sparks, RGrizzle, etc. is the way to go. Wear a baggy shirt and there easy to cover.


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