That's right , there's a Dogfather in the house ! Recently while looking through the "exchange" section at Busse Bladeforums I came across an unused tanker grey (I think) Dogfather for sale . It arrive not too long ago and I've been trying to break it ever since . But it defies all abuse <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Now I get what all the hipe is about the choppers. OH YEAH !