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I hope you don't like your AR or AK. #740946 12/31/12 10:36 PM
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All, I never post political things anywhere. Much less in the yard. Mods if I'm in violation of the rules let me know or take this down please.

I just wanted to make sure everyone knows about the legislation Senator Diane Fienstein is proposing which could include a $200 dollar tax on each AR/AK you have and also make you register as a class III dealer. Having an FFL means that you can be searched at any time. The "unlawful search and seizure" part no longer applies.

http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons
http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/we-stand-as-one-contact-congress-on-guns-email-your-contacts/

I'm not pushing any political stance here. I'm just making the info known. You decide if the lawmakers are being fair.

here is a great articale from Pravda about our freedoms in the US.

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/28-12-2012/123335-americans_guns-0/


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Re: I hope you don't like your AR or AK. [Re: BigLapDog] #740947 12/31/12 11:13 PM
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Bld, I for one do not think you are violating anything. You are only posting links, links to articles that concern all of us.

This is the beginning. Of what I am truly not sure. A coming together (finally) of like minded individuals to continue what our forefathers put forth in writing or a complete raping of that hallowed document by those who are so... well you get the idea.


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Re: I hope you don't like your AR or AK. [Re: SkunkHunter] #740948 12/31/12 11:25 PM
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I'm wondering if any thought has been given to the way this will impact the people employed by the firearms industry. Take a look at some statistics.

http://nssf.org/impact/

Has anyone considered the economic impact on an already fragile economy?


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Re: I hope you don't like your AR or AK. [Re: Hobbes] #740949 12/31/12 11:54 PM
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my favorite quote from that article is,
Governments will use the excuse of trying to protect the people from maniacs and crime, but are in reality, it is the bureaucrats protecting their power and position.


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Re: I hope you don't like your AR or AK. [Re: greaser] #740950 01/01/13 02:30 AM
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I'm fighting this push hard. I have been pressed into becoming politically active over this.

This is not a matter of Republican or Democrat, Liberal or Conservative, it's not racial, bias. Its a matter of rights.

They are already trying to split hunters and sportsmen away from those that have guns for self defense. We have to stay strong and support each other or we will all be trampled.


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Re: I hope you don't like your AR or AK. [Re: MonkeyBomb] #740951 01/01/13 01:02 PM
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What is frustrating is when you know your Senators and Representative are going to vote against your beliefs and there seems to be no real threat to their re-election.

Re: I hope you don't like your AR or AK. [Re: skorpyd] #740952 01/01/13 06:04 PM
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Same here skorpyd its sad and a lesson in futility.


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Re: I hope you don't like your AR or AK. [Re: greaser] #740953 01/02/13 12:30 AM
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I hope all of you wrote your senators and representatives, it will also help to call them tomorrow, this thing is going up on Thursday. NRA-ILA has a link that allows you to easily write all of them in one go:

http://www.nraila.org/get-involved-locally/grassroots/write-your-reps.aspx

The more people they hear from who says they disagree with this sort of thing, the less likely they are to vote in favor of it.

You need to tell them to vote no on this and any other gun control legislation, and if they vote yes or abstain that you will not vote for them again. Make sure you write all of them, especially the ones who are most likely to let this pass.

Also be aware there is a "high capacity" (read: standard capacity) magazine ban being introduced separately to this, also on Thursday.


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Re: I hope you don't like your AR or AK. [Re: skorpyd] #740954 01/02/13 12:32 AM
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What is frustrating is when you know your Senators and Representative are going to vote against your beliefs and there seems to be no real threat to their re-election.

Even if this was true, it would not be an excuse to do nothing. What will it really cost you other than a couple of minutes?

The fact is that other than casting your vote differently next time, this is the only means of influence you have, and if enough people threaten to take away their vote, they will listen. It is their bread and butter after all.


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Re: I hope you don't like your AR or AK. [Re: greaser] #740955 01/02/13 12:42 AM
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Just a thought and an opinion. Happy to strike it if needed.

The Second Amendment was enacted because our founding fathers did not trust the ability of men to refrain from seeking power and seeking to silence the agency of their countrymen. They feared the rise of a king and they feared the nation they had fought becoming a nation of the governed rather than a nation that governed itself. They knew that an armed populace was the only sure deterrent to tyranny.

A people that willingly hands in its agency, that desires a caretaker to make its decisions for it; a people that does not want to govern itself or is unwilling to accept the responsibility for itself but seeks for a government to rule it and to provide for it; is such a people still deserving of the Constitution its forebears enacted to preserve that people's dignity, honor, and freedom?

It is understandable that politicians might try to disarm the public. That is the nature of politicians. However, can there be sympathy for a people that are willing to be disarmed and that voice their support of turning their arms over to gradual tyranny? Has the nature of men changed that much since 1787? Are all who govern now no longer interested in power? Are they all so trustworthy to guard our basic freedoms and liberties that we can and ought to give them free rein? Is the Second Amendment no longer needed?

I am a student of modern Chinese history. The Chinese Communist Party's initial popularity came about through promises to provide for the people. To take from the rich and distribute to the poor. It gained support in the countryside by sowing hatred and dehumanizing the upper class and by exhorting class warfare. Once its victory, made possible in large part by poor armed farmers, was complete, one of the first courses of action it undertook was to systemically and completely disarm the population. There was no egalitarian society that was promised. It was not in the nature of the ruling class to enact that vision. There was no meaningful voice of the people. Instead, at the whims of it rulers, the people were subjected to one political campaign after another that cost them tens of millions of lives. There was, at that point, no recourse. There were likewise none of the constitutionally mandated freedoms available--religion, speech, etc. Yes, China's constitution promises many of the same freedoms that ours does, but the party has no incentive to allow those promises to be fulfilled. It has become a meaningless document.

If such legislation as is being proposed my Ms. Feinstein passes, is publicly supported, and is upheld by the US Supreme Court, then I greatly fear for the course of our nation. I fear the rise of an even more powerful central government. Mostly, I fear that we would collectively deserve it.

That's enough of my ranting. Happy New Year <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />


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Re: I hope you don't like your AR or AK. [Re: DogTired] #740956 01/02/13 01:11 AM
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We need a like button here, thank you DogTired <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Now go email and call your reps, there may still be a way out of this.

One side of the political spectrum is interested in enacting this type of centralized government, while the other does not.

Unfortunately the people who are in favor of this type of government is naturally better at organizing their ranks, while those who are opposed are by their very ideology more interested in sticking to themselves and avoid this kind of participation.

So unless the side who likes individual freedoms learn to work together, the battle is already lost. I hypothesize that this is what has happened in most of Europe and what is on the cusp of happening here.


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Re: I hope you don't like your AR or AK. [Re: monsterdog] #740957 01/02/13 01:23 AM
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Already wrote my politicians. They will be getting calls.


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