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Re: America: Designed By Geniuses, Run by Idiots [Re: DogTired] #745574 01/16/13 04:46 AM
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Who is going to march on their state capital on Saturday?

http://www.guncontrolmorecrime.com/

Why and how (you can love him or hate him, but its mostly good advice)?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUAfft7l4wQ


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Re: America: Designed By Geniuses, Run by Idiots [Re: DogTired] #745575 01/16/13 09:57 AM
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You are not the only one DT. I fear that IF they didn't float like a... well a round brown sometimes bumpy floating object we would drown them all, which may not really be all that bad.


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Re: America: Designed By Geniuses, Run by Idiots [Re: SkunkHunter] #745576 01/16/13 07:34 PM
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OK, so a bunch of Executive Orders were unleashed this morning along with fuzzy feelings and the laughter of children.

Aside from the Executive Orders, there were continued support for AWB and standard capacity magazine bans. So I guess we keep writing and calling. Saturday you should go to your state capitol if you can. If you live in America and enjoy using and collecting knives, you need to do these things. It doesn't even matter if you never intend to own a firearm.

Mostly it seems like feel good "we did something" stuff, but there are a couple of concerning items in there. Overall it translates into:

* Tougher instant checks (which might not be bad)
* The possibility of instant checks being logged for much longer, but the states will ultimately have the final say I think, since a lot of states do not allow this
* Possible private transfers have to go through FFL no matter what
* More people in charge of what you can own (doctors, local police, etc.)
* A new head of the ATF


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Re: America: Designed By Geniuses, Run by Idiots [Re: monsterdog] #745577 01/16/13 08:01 PM
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I was wondering if those idiots had given any thoughts as to HOW private sales of individual to individual will do the background checks.


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Re: America: Designed By Geniuses, Run by Idiots [Re: SkunkHunter] #745578 01/16/13 08:17 PM
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oh they didn't announce the implanting of microchips into every man, woman and child yet?

hmmm...


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Re: America: Designed By Geniuses, Run by Idiots [Re: WinterWolf] #745579 01/16/13 08:21 PM
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No, that will come as a surprise measure NO LATER than next years flu shots! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />


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Re: America: Designed By Geniuses, Run by Idiots [Re: SkunkHunter] #745580 01/16/13 11:13 PM
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It's in EO #24....the one they didn't publicize... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />


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Re: America: Designed By Geniuses, Run by Idiots [Re: DogTired] #745581 01/17/13 11:52 AM
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Ok, here they are fresh from Forbes (Sorry DT, they didn't publish #24 either). <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

President Obama has signed 23 executive orders designed to address the problem of gun violence in America. The following are the items addressed:

Gun Violence Reduction Executive Actions:

1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.

2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.

3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.

4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.

5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.

6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.

7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.

8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).

9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.

10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make itwidely available to law enforcement.

11. Nominate an ATF director.

12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.

13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.

14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effectiveuse of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to developinnovative technologies.

16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.

18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.

20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.

21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.

22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.

23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.

It does not appear that any of the executive orders would have any impact on the guns people currently own-or would like to purchase- and that all proposals regarding limiting the availability of assault weapons or large ammunition clips will be proposed for Congressional action. As such, any potential effort to create a constitutional crisis—or the leveling of charges that the White House has overstepped its executive authority—would hold no validity.


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Re: America: Designed By Geniuses, Run by Idiots [Re: SkunkHunter] #745582 01/17/13 12:33 PM
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Just about everything here shaould have already been in place. It sounds like they are finally addressing THEIR shortcomings.


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Re: America: Designed By Geniuses, Run by Idiots [Re: Hobbes] #745583 01/17/13 02:13 PM
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4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.


14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.

16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.


Most of these are fluff. Some of these give me pause for thought about the potential for introducing back door restrictions. Maybe.


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Re: America: Designed By Geniuses, Run by Idiots [Re: DogTired] #745584 01/17/13 06:46 PM
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DogTired, I think it sums up nicely how they are going to get a comprehensive (but distributed through various systems) database of firearms owners, while at the same time prohibiting as many people as possible from owning firearms.

I agree it mostly sounds like fluff, but there is real possibility for abuse.

I think we should stand firm on "no more restrictions on firearms ownership" until the real problems have been addressed.


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