School Me...
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01/26/13 09:44 PM
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So, I have a 7-11. I like it a lot. It is a good "do all" knife for those situations where carrying a large chopper and a small work knife are not reasonable.
However, I find myself REALLY wanting to splurge for a Team Gemini LB. At the same time, I find myself daydreaming about the Taliwhacker that's coming up, as well as the Ratweiler. So, my question is:
What are the practical differences between the TGLB, Taliwhacker, Ratweiler, and the 7-11 / Camp Tramps for the world? They all have roughly a 7-8" blade, with good belly. If you only wanted one...which would you get? Performance and diversity are the priorities.
For purposes of this discussion, $$ not a consideration. Ultimately we know it matters, but I ask we keep this strictly to performance.
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Re: School Me...
[Re: Ishikawa]
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01/26/13 10:01 PM
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I'd say the 7-11 would be most practical.
I've never had a Ratweiler, but the Chopweiler I had seemed to be the perfect do all blade.
I LOVED the Tali-Whacker, I should've never sold it. The tip on the new one looks like its more robust than the original, which makes it less useful imo. I really liked everything about the original
I'd really like to see a TGLB without the top guard. If it could be had that way at the same price it would be mine.
My vote goes to the Ratweiler.
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Re: School Me...
[Re: Ishikawa]
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01/26/13 10:15 PM
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Well for starters, the TGLB is the only blade mentioned that is INFI..... so that ALONE should count for something.
It also has arguably the best grind of the bunch and it makes for a VERY sharp edge which avoids having a rediculously thick shoulder. The handle contours allow for securely choking back to chop without feeling like you need a lanyard.
The Camp Tramp is a classic but about the only thing you could argue that it adds over the 711 is a round choil and differential heat treat which might not really matter unless using STRICTLY as a pry-bar. The 711 has a smaller footprint, increased penetration in my opinion a favorable grind for SR-101 in the Ultra Convex Saber.
I believe the Taliwhacker might be a tad short to fill the role of chopper reasonably well. I've never had one personally but I'm just going by the specs, but it looks like it would make a great combat knife.
I've really got no opinion on the Rat/Chopweiler other than they are very popular and there might just be something to that. They've both struck me as being a couple of the more repulsive looking Rats that I've seen.
I would argue that 9.5-10" blades make for the best all-arounders if the extra length doesn't present carry issues. I do not own anything between 6.5-10" anymore, reason being that anything over 6.5" is going to be difficult to conceal, limited in chopping/limbing/draw knife ability AND much too large for ease of use as a utility knife.
Therefore my strong recommendation would be a Basic 10 LE or 911, both of which will be nimble enough to do relatively well at the small tasks. You could always wear a necker in addition like the Scrapivore or Swamp Warden if you felt the need for a small knife.
Otherwise, I'd pick the TGLB out of the bunch if limited to that size range. Mostly because it's INFI, secondly because of the grind, thirdly because they are pretty good at dispatching zombies......
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Re: School Me...
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01/26/13 10:18 PM
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I'd say the 7-11 would be most practical.
I've never had a Ratweiler, but the Chopweiler I had seemed to be the perfect do all blade.
I LOVED the Tali-Whacker, I should've never sold it. The tip on the new one looks like its more robust than the original, which makes it less useful imo. I really liked everything about the original
I'd really like to see a TGLB without the top guard. If it could be had that way at the same price it would be mine.
My vote goes to the Ratweiler. I'm getting a Tali-whacker no matter what- but what role do you see it in? Does it have a big knife feel? Pure fighter? I know nothing about them except..I want one! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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Re: School Me...
[Re: Spider-Pig]
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01/26/13 10:18 PM
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Thanks, Adam. I admit...I'm drawn to the TaliWhacker...but I can't figure out why I would want it over the others. Why did you "love" yours?
The Ratweiler is where my initial thoughts landed. You get the strength / durability of a fully tang knife....but at a more practical price point than the TGLB.
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Re: School Me...
[Re: yesh]
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01/26/13 10:25 PM
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Well for starters, the TGLB is the only blade mentioned that is INFI..... so that ALONE should count for something.
It also has arguably the best grind of the bunch and it makes for a VERY sharp edge which avoids having a rediculously thick shoulder. The handle contours allow for securely choking back to chop without feeling like you need a lanyard.
The Camp Tramp is a classic but about the only thing you could argue that it adds over the 711 is a round choil and differential heat treat which might not really matter unless using STRICTLY as a pry-bar. The 711 has a smaller footprint, increased penetration in my opinion a favorable grind for SR-101 in the Ultra Convex Saber.
I believe the Taliwhacker might be a tad short to fill the role of chopper reasonably well. I've never had one personally but I'm just going by the specs, but it looks like it would make a great combat knife.
I've really got no opinion on the Rat/Chopweiler other than they are very popular and there might just be something to that. They've both struck me as being a couple of the more repulsive looking Rats that I've seen.
I would argue that 9.5-10" blades make for the best all-arounders if the extra length doesn't present carry issues. I do not own anything between 6.5-10" anymore, reason being that anything over 6.5" is going to be difficult to conceal, limited in chopping/limbing/draw knife ability AND much too large for ease of use as a utility knife.
Therefore my strong recommendation would be a Basic 10 LE or 911, both of which will be nimble enough to do relatively well at the small tasks. You could always wear a necker in addition like the Scrapivore or Swamp Warden if you felt the need for a small knife.
Otherwise, I'd pick the TGLB out of the bunch if limited to that size range. Mostly because it's INFI, secondly because of the grind, thirdly because they are pretty good at dispatching zombies...... Thanks, AFF. I agree, INFI and Grind are very attractive for the TGLB. Good points. I must admit, the whole Daryl factor really makes me want one also. It carries some nastalgia. Although obvious, I had forgotten that the TGLB is indeed trimmed down beneath the handles, so weight is less...which actually raises its stock a bit for me. Thanks for your thoughts on the B10 / 911. I used to have a B11, and now have my 1311 and a Fiddleback machete (12"). I think if I was carrying a 911 / B10, It would be the same as my 1311 paired with a good 4" bushcraft blade (B4 / CABS / etc). I guess I'm not dexterious enough to dual use a 9-10" blade....that, or not enough training.
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Re: School Me...
[Re: RN]
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01/26/13 10:27 PM
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I'd say the 7-11 would be most practical.
I've never had a Ratweiler, but the Chopweiler I had seemed to be the perfect do all blade.
I LOVED the Tali-Whacker, I should've never sold it. The tip on the new one looks like its more robust than the original, which makes it less useful imo. I really liked everything about the original
I'd really like to see a TGLB without the top guard. If it could be had that way at the same price it would be mine.
My vote goes to the Ratweiler. I'm getting a Tali-whacker no matter what- but what role do you see it in? Does it have a big knife feel? Pure fighter? I know nothing about them except..I want one! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> LOL Rich...I'm there with ya. Then I realized that I end up selling anything I never use....so it has me really considering the features of each.
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Re: School Me...
[Re: Ishikawa]
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01/26/13 10:28 PM
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Rich - It does have a big knife feel. I'd say it would make a great survival blade. The newer one looks like it might be more of a fighter than the original.
Max - I just fell in love with the feel of the knife in my hand and the blade shape. Difficult to explain. It just felt like a very capable knife. I stupidly traded it on a whim.
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Re: School Me...
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01/26/13 10:31 PM
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Personally THINK I would like the forthcoming taliwhacker better. But I DO wish it was 3/16 and not a quarter inch. Mainly I like the tali because of the res-c handle. I have not felt anything that beats it. For a do anything knife for me, it seems the best. I have a 911 but not a 711. Wish I had gotten one, but oh well.... I do think that if "There could be only one", the 711 might very well be it, even over my much loved Bullreg.
Don't know if this means anything or not, but just my 2 cents.
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Re: School Me...
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01/26/13 10:35 PM
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Ishi. I think you are on the right track, a 711(big enough to build anything in an emergency/survival situation. Pair that up with something in the 4-5 inch range (again should have gotten a 411, but having two wardogs and an S5, just didn't think I needed one, stupid of me).
Any way, if you could or would only carry two, that combo would work well for you I think.
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Re: School Me...
[Re: Ishikawa]
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01/26/13 10:46 PM
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Thanks for your thoughts on the B10 / 911. I used to have a B11, and now have my 1311 and a Fiddleback machete (12"). I think if I was carrying a 911 / B10, It would be the same as my 1311 paired with a good 4" bushcraft blade (B4 / CABS / etc). I guess I'm not dexterious enough to dual use a 9-10" blade....that, or not enough training. The 1311 has much more forward weight than the B10LE or 911, the B10LE balances about an inch from the end of the handle whereas the 1311 is a good bit farther down the blade. When choking up your grip, the 1311 will not be well balanced like the B10LE or 911 would be and is also a bit heavier overall. This means that you can get good control for finer task from the B10LE/911 due to their lightweight and balance. You've also got the ability to choke up the spine which should help further for control, a trick that works quite well is to tuck the handle into your armpit and grab the spine at the front of the blade for finer carving/cutting. This will not fatigue you as much as having the blade floating and should give you more control for making your cuts. If you paired a 1311 with a "bushcraft" knife, this will present difficulties in carrying the larger knife and will weigh a good bit more than a lightweight 10" chopper. I guess the main reason people probably look at 6-8" blades as all rounder is mostly due to the fact that most Busse' are quite heavy even at that size and likely another part could be inexperience at using a larger blade for finer tasks. In many less priviledged parts of the world, people will only carry one blade on them at all times in the form of goloks, kukris, machetes, bolo, etc....... If I could only choose one Bussekin blade to have/carry, and was not limited be the ability to conceal said blade........I would likely choose something quite similar to the 1311. Unfortunately, carry is a problem for most and therefore the shorter/lighter choppers are a good compromise between utility/concealment/carry weight.
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Re: School Me...
[Re: yesh]
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01/26/13 11:37 PM
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Ishi, I have all the knives you listed and really like them all. However, given your criteria I would choose the 7-11; it is a GREAT knife! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />
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