<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif" alt="" /> My mistake...I have got you and Jeff mixed up. I picked up a Ratweiler and Chopweiler to "handle" at Knob Creek and was dithering over the Ratweiler or a FSH for a bit...but liked the grip better on the FSH even though it was a fair bit more money...the grip on the RW and CW felt strange to me...I understood the benefit of the curve enabling a "rocking" motion when chopping...but figured I would usually chop with a fixed grip...not a loose one...but the RW was very impressive <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />