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Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk [Re: Andy the Aussie] #1006724 07/09/14 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Andy the Aussie
I use what I know to work, that does not mean the most expensive, not the cheapest either. If I have not seen a firearm used over and over by better users than I (and I mean see not read about wink as there is too much BS in the firearms media)I am not interested.



I could not agree more about gun media. I use to spend hours standing in a store reading every gun magazine that was published (every month - for YEARS). About four or five years ago I stopped doing this, because the quality of information had dropped to literally being an extended advertisement and the weapon analysis dropped to the level of "it has plastic grips". Really? Plastic grips - WOW - I need one of those.

This past weekend I picked up a gun magazine at WalMart to thumb through. This is the first time I've looked at one in a VERY long time. I was astounded to see that every gun in the magazine was "fit for zombie duty" after a grueling TWO HUNDRED ROUND "test".

200 rounds? I often shoot 200rds warming up.

How about shooting 2000rds in hot, wet, muddy conditions? That's a test.

Magazines are not paid for by subscribers. They are paid for by advertisers.

Gun companies are offering too many choices. How many variations of Sig are made today? When I bought my first Sig back in the early 1990's you had three choices: Sig P220, Sig P220 European in 38 Super, Sig P226. These were quality guns made in Europe. I'm not picking on Sig, but they're a "flavor of the week" company now with abysmal quality control and materials. They are nothing like Sig SAN was. I'd rather have less options and more quality.

Glock is another good example. They held true to their basic design for many many years. It wasn't until they introduced the Gen 4 that problems showed up. They started using more MIM parts (google Glock Extractor Problem) and changed the recoil system. The system had worked fine in the Sub-Compacts (which had extensive testing) so why wouldn't they work in full size guns (withOUT extensive testing...).


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Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk [Re: SkunkHunter] #1006725 07/09/14 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by SkunkHunter
I have a (Generation ONE I guess) Glock 17. It belonged to a deceased police officer I worked with WAY back in 74-76. I knocked off the rear plastic sight and I NEED to replace it. I am thinking about going with express sights, Shallow V rear and Round dot front. That is my Favorite type sight. I have trouble lining up conventional sights. The elevation is fine, but the windage throws me off all the time.


Usually people have trouble with "nose up" elevation in Glocks due to their grip angle.

Replace the front and rear with a metal set of your choice. The rear can be drifted into place with a BRASS punch (put a little lithium grease in the channel to ease movement) and the front will screw on with a TINY screw inside the slide. You'll need to buy a special driver if you don't have one that'll fit. The head of the fastener is FLAT and SMALL. Add the best loctite you can afford!


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Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk [Re: Spider-Pig] #1006729 07/09/14 11:02 AM
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I've wondered where can you get the glock front sight tool?


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Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk [Re: Spider-Pig] #1006730 07/09/14 11:05 AM
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I agree that companies offer to many options instead of quality. The zombie stuff in the gun world is getting really out of hand IMHO


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Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk [Re: gun dog] #1006731 07/09/14 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by gun dog
I've wondered where can you get the glock front sight tool?


Ironically, mine is by Kimber.


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Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk [Re: Spider-Pig] #1006732 07/09/14 11:06 AM
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I am now a fictional British television police officer (currently a Detective Sgt) at Thames Valley Station. My governor is Detective Inspector Fred Thursday and it’s 1969.





Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk [Re: Spider-Pig] #1006733 07/09/14 11:45 AM
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Ok I will have to check it out!


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Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk [Re: Endeavour Morse] #1006737 07/09/14 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Architect


Right or wrong I separate gun owners into five categories:

LEVEL ONE = people who own a gun. It doesn't matter why they have it - it doesn't how they acquired it. They have a gun but that's the extent of it.

LEVEL TWO = commoners. These are the people that bought a gun because they thought they needed one (for hunting, self defense, whatever). They use whatever they bought and are satisfied.

LEVEL THREE = hobbyist. This is lowest level of "gun personhood". These are the people are truly interested in guns, talk about them, own and use them. They are also satisfied with "good enough". This means their Rock River AR15 is "good enough" and the extra attention, quality control, and manufacturing processes and materials of a Colt AR15 are just hype - just a marketing tool to rob dumb people of extra money.

LEVEL FOUR = semi-pros. This is where people who actually push their gear end up. These aren't the "it looks like the real thing so it has to be good enough" crowd. They've seen LEVEL THREE people's gear fail - repeatedly.

LEVEL FIVE = pros. This is the elite group of users, builders, etc that are at the apex of the gun culture.

I place myself at LEVEL FOUR.


Not to sound offened but man you didn't make us "level three" folks sound all that good. I know I'm not an "operator" to any degree but keep in mind most folks lifestyles simply don't support a level four or five mindset. Not just money and time but location and surroundings.

In most cases with us consumers the "quality" of most products is perceived and then realized. That's why they spend so much on the fancy packaging we toss in the landfills. It would be nice to know what a farmer knows when you shop for vegetables just like it would nice to be a mechanic when you buy a car. But other than to become a farmer and a mechanic I have to "Google" some stuff and take my chances with the lemons.

I may only put a few hundred rounds through a firearm but do I need to break it to trust it? If I shoot a firearm for 10K rounds and it breaks is it any better than if I only shot it for 250 rounds? 100 rounds? I admit I'm not that level of an operator or a competition shooter or whatever gets me there so my settings don't support a significant investment in high round counts. So a "good enough" evaluation makes a bit more sense for me. True my firearm my not get me through a shootout with a drug cartel and it may not work covered in mud after I drag it behind my car. I'll probably just stay out of the drug game and if I can I'll avoid the mud and just not drag any guns behind my car.

And... I know some people don't care for the zombie stuff and I get that. But tell them you don't care for folks "prepping" to shoot hoardes of their evil "lib" neighbors down in the streets like packs of rabid dogs due to some "impending" collapse of the governement and now we can argue why having a black rifle makes more sense than having a neon green one. Oakie Doakie... I just enjoy having these things myself but if your "survival" hinges on them. Cool...

I'm a "whatever tickles your woolies" kind of guy and I do like hearing about people burning through $$$$ in ammo in one afternoon. I can't justify doing it for myself though. If I did it would simply be for fun and I can't say it would've been for any sort of tactical advantage other than saying a gun can do it. I know that knowledge and experience makes a huge difference but there is also overkill. With my little collection as a "level three" guy I guess I'm stuck "good enough" which to almost everybody else is actally overkill. But as I tell them "Wait until the zombies start eating folks brains".

Again I hope I didn't sound offended. I just wanted to discuss my perspective a bit.



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Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk [Re: Spider-Pig] #1006738 07/09/14 04:00 PM
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I see exactly where you are coming from. I buy the best I can and have knowledge of but being a college student normally makes me a level three even if I want to be a 5


Any day I'm above the grass and I'm not a zombie is a good day! JYD#138

Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk [Re: Spider-Pig] #1006741 07/09/14 08:00 PM
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Shot 50 rounds through this....

http://www.nighthawkcustom.com/pistols/grp.html

Never shot so good in my entire life!!!!!!!!!!!


Any day I'm above the grass and I'm not a zombie is a good day! JYD#138

Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk [Re: Spider-Pig] #1006742 07/09/14 08:38 PM
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Someone just went to level 5...

wink smile

Nice! A friends gun?


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Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk [Re: Spider-Pig] #1006743 07/09/14 09:19 PM
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Surprisingly a rental at a local range. I was looking at the costa edition and a Dan wesson specalist and the guy pointed out that model in the rental display.... It was amazing.


Any day I'm above the grass and I'm not a zombie is a good day! JYD#138

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