damaged my muk
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03/25/09 04:36 PM
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scrappy
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I was lighting a fire this week and used a nessmuk to create fuzz sticks and baton finger size sticks off a log for kindling. the muk did great at all of this but when I got done I noticed the blade was damaged in 4 or more spots. it will still shave. it is that sharp but the blade edge is bent. batoning wasn't an issue but twisting the blade to finish the split or break off a curly Q caused the edge to bend. the swamp rat, scrap yard, ranger, coldsteel, and even china made knives I use handle this just fine. I was very disapointed with the 100 dollar little nessie. I am still waiting on the scrapmuk to arrive and don't believe it would be so fragile. when it comes it will be my go to bushcraft knife.
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Re: damaged my muk
[Re: scrappy]
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03/25/09 04:50 PM
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imaginefj
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Re: damaged my muk
[Re: imaginefj]
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03/25/09 04:57 PM
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el clintor
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Fragile is definitely not a word to describe the Scrapmuk.. It's a beast! Sharp as a lazer too! It's like the hairs get scared away before the blade even touches them...
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Re: damaged my muk
[Re: el clintor]
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03/25/09 05:31 PM
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Gambit
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Fragile is definitely not a word to describe the Scrapmuk.. It's a beast! Sharp as a lazer too! It's like the hairs get scared away before the blade even touches them... That sharp huh? wow!
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Re: damaged my muk
[Re: Gambit]
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03/25/09 05:57 PM
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el clintor
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Fragile is definitely not a word to describe the Scrapmuk.. It's a beast! Sharp as a lazer too! It's like the hairs get scared away before the blade even touches them... That sharp huh? wow! Ok, maybe i was exaggerating just a little.. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> It is very sharp though.. much more than i was expecting.. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />
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Re: damaged my muk
[Re: el clintor]
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03/25/09 06:08 PM
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Gambit
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Fragile is definitely not a word to describe the Scrapmuk.. It's a beast! Sharp as a lazer too! It's like the hairs get scared away before the blade even touches them... That sharp huh? wow! Ok, maybe i was exaggerating just a little.. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> It is very sharp though.. much more than i was expecting.. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> Man Im just having fun, dont mind me. I still cant get use to looking at them. I bet for there purpose they are well designed
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Re: damaged my muk
[Re: scrappy]
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03/25/09 06:12 PM
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Gideon
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There could be many reasons for this. Some questions need to be asked:
• First, who made the knife and of what steel? • Is the edge very thin (<15 degrees)? • Did the edge roll or chip? (By bent I assume you mean rolled?)
I’ve rolled the edge of my DMDC by lightly cutting meat on a glass plate. This is a stupid thing to do and I should know better, but if the edge is thinned out this will happen easier than you think. Although creating fuzz sticks should not be a problem for most knives. Without being there and knowing exactly how thin the edge on the Muk is, it’s difficult to guess what went wrong.
As for “fragile”… This can cause some confusion. If the edge of a knife rolls easily, this normally means the steel is softer (less brittle) which in fact means it’s tougher (can take more lateral force). If the edge is very hard and chips then it means the steel is probably stronger (note the difference between strength and toughness) and will be more brittle. The 1st example will make a better prying tool and the 2nd example will make a better cutting tool. The trick (and the holy grail of knife making) is to find the best of both. As far as I have been able to determine, INFI has a very good balance of strength and toughness. SR77 is perhaps as tough as INFI, but will not hold an edge nearly as long and A2 will hold an edge longer than SR77, but is probably not as tough. Again, there are many variables out there.
I have a BRKT Canadian Camp (A2) that has a full convex grind (no secondary bevel). As with most convex ground blades these knives are ground by hand and therefore vary somewhat in blade geometry. I found the edge on my specific knife was just ground a little too thin and would roll easier than I wanted, so I re-profiled the edge slightly and now it’s fine. My ASH-1 and DMDC on the other hand had way too thick and obtuse edges for my taste and I thinned and convexed them to suit me. If the Nessie is too thin, just work on the edge a bit.
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Re: damaged my muk
[Re: Gideon]
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03/25/09 06:15 PM
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Gambit
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There could be many reasons for this. Some questions need to be asked:
• First, who made the knife and of what steel? • Is the edge very thin (<15 degrees)? • Did the edge roll or chip? (By bent I assume you mean rolled?)
I’ve rolled the edge of my DMDC by lightly cutting meat on a glass plate. This is a stupid thing to do and I should know better, but if the edge is thinned out this will happen easier than you think. Although creating fuzz sticks should not be a problem for most knives. Without being there and knowing exactly how thin the edge on the Muk is, it’s difficult to guess what went wrong.
As for “fragile”… This can cause some confusion. If the edge of a knife rolls easily, this normally means the steel is softer (less brittle) which in fact means it’s tougher (can take more lateral force). If the edge is very hard and chips then it means the steel is probably stronger (note the difference between strength and toughness) and will be more brittle. The 1st example will make a better prying tool and the 2nd example will make a better cutting tool. The trick (and the holy grail of knife making) is to find the best of both. As far as I have been able to determine, INFI has a very good balance of strength and toughness. SR77 is perhaps as tough as INFI, but will not hold an edge nearly as long and A2 will hold an edge longer than SR77, but is probably not as tough. Again, there are many variables out there.
I have a BRKT Canadian Camp (A2) that has a full convex grind (no secondary bevel). As with most convex ground blades these knives are ground by hand and therefore vary somewhat in blade geometry. I found the edge on my specific knife was just ground a little too thin and would roll easier than I wanted, so I re-profiled the edge slightly and now it’s fine. My ASH-1 and DMDC on the other hand had way too thick and obtuse edges for my taste and I thinned and convexed them to suit me. If the Nessie is too thin, just work on the edge a bit. Well put.
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Re: damaged my muk
[Re: Gambit]
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03/25/09 07:22 PM
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scrappy
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the steel is 52100 made by bark river. it has a very thin edge. much thinner than any of my busse kin knives. the knife is great. I use it a lot. I don't think it was the cutting but rather torquing or twisting the blade that caused it. I would have called it rolled and maybe that is the right terminology but I am not sure. the edge is not straight. the overall length of the edge is straight but small portions are bent. even the bent portions are extremly sharp.
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Re: damaged my muk
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03/25/09 08:41 PM
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chilimonkeymouth
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"It's like the hairs get scared away before the blade even touches them"
That's hilarious, I choked and swallowed some of my chew.
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Re: damaged my muk
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03/25/09 09:12 PM
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Gideon
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the steel is 52100 made by bark river. it has a very thin edge. Mike Stewart uses many different steels for his knives, as long as they will do the job. Bark River heat treatment is also very good. If this happened doing fuzz sticks Mike would be interested to hear about it. As I said, this can happen sometimes with thin convex edges. If you are not comfortable re-profiling the edge yourself to be a little thicker you can always send it to Mike with an explanation and he will take care of it. Very good outfit, Bark River.
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Re: damaged my muk
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03/25/09 09:58 PM
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scrappy
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I had not considered sending it back. I figured twisting the blade was abuse. I will have to think about it. I also have a koster muk but because I am a little rough on my knives I think the busse muk will best fit my needs.
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