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Re: Bugging. Out or in? [Re: monsterdog] #583735 09/22/11 10:19 PM
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the smart ones will head out of the city and eventually make it to where you are at. But it gives a unique advantage to live and prep in the country. you know the land around you and what your neighbors are like. part of the advantage of living where I am at is the land around the house is very easy to watch/defend. and depending on the season of the event the country would be hard to live in with out proper shelter. I know that there is no perfect spot and that's why I am still ready to bug out but the advantages of being in the country are undeniable.


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Re: Bugging. Out or in? [Re: gun dog] #583736 09/22/11 10:28 PM
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it is easier to raise food and hide it in the country and live of the land. but don't think that game will be plentiful. if every body decides its open season the local game will dwindle to nothing. if its in the winter the cold will add to the challenge for the preper and refuge. if its spring or summer the inevitable death of refuges will only be prolonged in till colder weather. it will be easier to grow and harvest animals and crops and do your best to live and practice self sufficiency before shtf. I don't want to sound harsh as a Christian I believe that you should help others using the give till it hurts method. but it will be harder to survive in the city.


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Re: Bugging. Out or in? [Re: gun dog] #583737 09/22/11 10:39 PM
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I would recommend reading the books {patriots} and {How to survive the end of the world as we know it} by James Wesley Rawles. he also has a book coming out Oct 4
that is called {Survivors} JWR's books focus on a social economic collapse.

also one second after by William R Forstchen about a EMP event.

Both are a great edge of your seat read to make you think.

The JWR book how to survive the end of the world as we know it as a guide to preparedness not a fiction read. JWR also runs survival blog and its full of great advise on preping.


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Re: Bugging. Out or in? [Re: gun dog] #583738 09/23/11 06:12 AM
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"One Second After" is an excellent book that does a good job of portraying the effects of a major EMP strike. "How to Survive The End of The World As We Know It" is also good. I would recommend those books, as I have both. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Bugging. Out or in? [Re: Private Klink] #583739 09/23/11 02:21 PM
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thanks for the backup PK


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Re: Bugging. Out or in? [Re: gun dog] #583740 09/23/11 08:06 PM
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I encourage all my fellow Dogs to make preparations for the unexpected, whether it is man-made or from Nature. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Whenever power goes out for a few days due to an ice storm, blizzard, or whatever, it's nice to be able to continue in relative comfort. It also feels good knowing that I will NOT get caught up in last-minute panic buying at the stores in case there is ora pending problem. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Bugging. Out or in? [Re: Private Klink] #583741 09/24/11 08:47 AM
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Really it depends somewhat one your geography as well as the type of emergency.
Where I live if there was a major earthquake I would pretty much be stuck where I am at.
From my house you basically have 2 routes east and 2 routes west.
Both of these routes are classified as emergency response routes that mean in the event of an emergency only vehicles displaying the pass for the routes would be allowed to use the roads.
In addition to this I do not have a single route that I can go for more than 1/2 hour driving without crossing a bridge. Once again these bridges would be shut down for at least a few days if there was a major earthquake while authorities checked them out.

Here is a scenario I could face if the earthquake happened mid-day during the week
My wife works(north west) about 15 minutes from home , she would not be able to get home until the dam she needs to cross is deemed safe.
My oldest daughter works (south east) about 20 minutes from home, she would not be able to make it home until the bridge she needs to cross is deemed safe.
My youngest daughter and I are about 2 miles apart (my work, her school) both in a tsunammi/liquifaction area. If the power lines were ok we would probably wind up at the same shelter together or I would get her. We are about 70km (40 mile) from home and have at least 2 bridges to cross. My youngest only goes to school 3 days a week so if she was at home when it happened all 4 of us would be prevented from getting to the others

All of us would have to travel on an emergency response route so even if the bridges/dam was ok, we would still be stuck where we were at.

So what I would suggest to everyone is that they not only do a risk assessment of what type of emergencies they are likely to be faced with, but also find out how your local authorities plan to deal with them.
There is no point in planning to bug out if the authorities have the roads shut down and there is no point in planning to bug in if the authorities are going to force evacuation

As Tom stated above, be a scout, be prepared


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Re: Bugging. Out or in? [Re: coyotebc] #583742 09/24/11 08:51 AM
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Good advice Yote! Sounds like you have thought things out really well and at least have a plan, even if it would be hard to implement.


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Re: Bugging. Out or in? [Re: SkunkHunter] #583743 09/24/11 04:20 PM
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I am leaning more and more towards moving to a small town. I'm in a desert with several large cities. When the power when out for millions a few weeks back, the sheeple were panicking. All it took was a few hours and the stores were packed. Our heat caused many to head to the mall since it still had power. Our water levels and pressure dropped quickly. I went home. Water, check. Food, check. Guns and ammo, check. I was good. I set up a Fenix with a diffuser from my ceiling fan and had light. Used another Fenix with a diffuser to catch up on some reading. I got a few calls from panicking friends but told them to chill out. I knew it wasn't a big deal, but I dread the day a big earthquake hits. I'm heading to the mountains if I have enough gas in my car (which I try to keep at least a half tank at all times) and if the roads aren't crowded. So, I'm seriously considering leaving California.

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Art, good to hear from you again! Sounds like you got a plan as well! I don't think they could pay me enough to move to California. UNLESS it was in a nice out of the way place in the Mountains!


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Re: Bugging. Out or in? [Re: SkunkHunter] #583745 09/27/11 11:25 AM
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You folks here have answered my question, not about bugging in or out but about being prepared. I have wondered what many of the folks here think concerning the state of our country? I was also wondering are these folks knife collectors or people who feel they need the tools to survive in an event they have no control over? Its nice to know like minded people are preparing for possible hard times. As for bugging out or in, I would stay put and have the food and water on hand that would get you by for a few months. Be very mindful on who you talk to concerning these topics. When I bring up this conversation concerning the possible collapse of our monetary system at work people look at me like on some kind of conspiracy nut. I'm not sure why many people just choose to ignore what is happening but I have chosen to have a plan in the event the crap hits the fan. I don't want to be in wally world when people make a mad rush to get the last loaf of bread.


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Re: Bugging. Out or in? [Re: Art] #583746 09/27/11 11:28 AM
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I am leaning more and more towards moving to a small town. I'm in a desert with several large cities. When the power when out for millions a few weeks back, the sheeple were panicking. All it took was a few hours and the stores were packed. Our heat caused many to head to the mall since it still had power. Our water levels and pressure dropped quickly. I went home. Water, check. Food, check. Guns and ammo, check. I was good. I set up a Fenix with a diffuser from my ceiling fan and had light. Used another Fenix with a diffuser to catch up on some reading. I got a few calls from panicking friends but told them to chill out. I knew it wasn't a big deal, but I dread the day a big earthquake hits. I'm heading to the mountains if I have enough gas in my car (which I try to keep at least a half tank at all times) and if the roads aren't crowded. So, I'm seriously considering leaving California.

Interesting post, please educate me on the use of a Fenix flash light with a diffuser. Thanks

Mark


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