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Dude, WTF you talking about?

Remember the D2 knives from Swamp Rat? They were tough as hell and were given quite a beating and survived. They dented rather than chipped and because they were still D2 they had really good edge retention. SRKW 154cm's heat treat shouldn't be any different.

Remember that D2 has much worse toughness than 154cm. If I had a choice for a large chopper with D2 or 154cm I would go 154cm.

Also, Mercworx use 154cm on most of their knives. They're heat treated softer for toughness and can also take quite a beating with little chipping (though for their price I think an FFBM would be beyond par).

I agree with you in that I'm not a fan of 154cm but when something comes from the Swamp, Yard, or Pit, it must be good.

first of all, don't swear at me

You're right that heat treatment will make a difference, but you also should remember that the knives that failed us in the field have all been 154cm. This sort of experience is not something that inspires confidence.

In respect to mercworx, very little testing has been on those knives to determine whether or not they can put their money where their mouth is. To me, they seem to be a more tastefully designed version of Dark Ops Knives, minus the terrible advertising. Just because they're expensive, doesn't mean they're worth the money.

My main argument with 154cm in SR knives is that I believe that the switch to stainless is unnecessary and sacrifices too much. I personally believe the difference between coated and uncoated blades in terms of efficiency is negligible, so there is little need for a satin-finished steel. Furthermore, seeing as the banner of SR's website reads "Ambassadors of American spirit and toughness", I don't think they should drop an extremely tough AND edge-holding steel from production in favor of a steel thats only real advantage is its stainlessness.

If they can prove that a H. Carry is just as tough as the nearly identical HRLM, I'll be happy to accept it. Until then, I will continue to view 154cm as a folder steel, not suited for hard use.

Sorry 'bout that. I edited it out. But yor're a little controversial in your statement. Mainly you bought the ZT 0200 not on a whim but with a good amount of thought put into it. That knife uses 154cm. You also had a slight incident with it that proved to us that 154cm is good stuff, if heat treated right. Also you bought that fixed grip, which is 154cm. You got it because it was on sale. Wouldn't have been better not to get it if it was 154cm? If you dislike it so much and don't think of it as a hard use steel then why get it at all? I agree what happened with our grips is just not acceptable but still lots of makers use 154cm and not too many are complaining.

But you do remember the Bog Dogs and the Skinners? Right?

SRKW used D2. The D2 heat treat they used will spank the living hell out of the other D2 knives. I will admit because my CSK originally had chips in it. It's not a tough steel at all. Yet, from what SRKW did with their D2, it proves me wrong completely that D2 isn't a tough steel. With the right heat treat it can be tough.

On the MW knives, there actually have been some testing from Blade Magazine and such. In on article the auther was able to completely cut out a large escape opening from a steel fire door. No chipping occurred but the knife was obviously dull. No tip or any other damage. They are good knives. But at those prices it would make sense to buy several Scrappers.

Also relating to SRKW's Banner, 154cm is the epitome of an American Steel. 154cm IS "the American steel."

Of course I'm not here to change your opinion. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Noss will have to do that.