Almost forgot- Thanks for the review AI <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> !! BTW- Somebody mentioned inexpensive pants for the Tramontinas ? If ya can talk Vic into setting an edge on it- might be worth it to have Jeff make nice pants for it !! Heck- I am even going to make a rig that has the Tramontina/mora and maybe the MPLE on it. That might be the ULTIMATE !! How about it Vic/ Tolly <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> ?Thanks