Not for the Busses, but for Rats and Dogs I would always go for the LEs. The Busse LEs are just too high even for me and my excesses! I really liked that NMSFNO LE a lot. But the new M9LE is bigger and costs less than half as much with the same warranty! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />