If you're trying to sharpen something that had no edge to begin with, I'd suggest getting a Lansky kit from your local hunting store, and a leather strop with green compound from Lee Valley. That's all I used to put the edge on this Dumpster Mutt LE..... It's one hell of a serious slicer now! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />