I say, whatever would be most economical to Dan while still allowing the Dogs to wear something that will show their appreciation of a man who understands what steel was truly intended for. User knives. I still say 500 posts would suffice. 10K posts deserves a keg of Bellhaven Ale wrapped in a Scrap Yard XXXL T-Shirt. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />