I can never understand the whole knife fight stuff, if you are wanting a knife for fighting then you might as well get something nice cheap, pointy and made in China from someone such as Cold Steel. In fact you might as well go to your nearest hardware store and get a long screwdriver. Stabbing through skin and fat doesn't require a very strong blade and edge retention definitely isn't an issue. For me the only reason I purchase quality knives such as Busse-Kin is because they keep a great edge when Bushcrafting, hunting etc..........Sorry for getting off topic, I will now step down from my soap box ! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />