Re: Cold Steel products
[Re: rooikat]
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09/14/07 02:18 AM
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I have to disagree with Diceman. American citizens should be able to own anything, whether others think they should or not. It is part of being American. Unlike other countries, we are citizens, not subjects. Citizens can be armed. I have fiberglass knives. I have titanium knives. I have plastic knives. I study Karate, which cannot be picked up by any sort of scanner. So does my brother. He is a cop, and the local FEMA rep. My wife does, too. She's a fed. You'd also be shocked at how many bomb disposal and SWAT guys use non-metallic or titanium knives. It is a lot safer for them, due to their job. Do you have the plastic war club w/ the steel spike? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> I agree that Americans should be able to do whatever they want within reason - but some products have absolutely no legitimate use. The war club specifically - whatever its called. Its not even a reproduction, really... its plastic... I don't get it. And if they didn't think that the Nightshade series was a little shady... then why did they immediately pull them from their site after 9/11? Granted they're back for sale again... but I think Thompson did an "Oh $hit" when that all went down!
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Re: Cold Steel products
[Re: diceman]
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09/14/07 02:30 AM
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diceman
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Bear with me here... What, exactly... can you fathom... ever doing with this: ![[Linked Image from i163.photobucket.com]](http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t311/dzrice/csstoreonline_1966_16572304.gif) And does this scream "please take me on the airplane" or what? Who is this marketed to... really... ![[Linked Image from i163.photobucket.com]](http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t311/dzrice/csstoreonline_1966_11894426.gif) Now, I do like this: <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> ![[Linked Image from i163.photobucket.com]](http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t311/dzrice/csstoreonline_1966_10732050.gif) Not that I don't agree with your right to be able to have it... but seriously... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Cold Steel products
[Re: diceman]
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09/14/07 02:32 AM
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diceman
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No, really... I do like the Sharkie. But... the Honeycomb seems like a bad idea.
Just my opinion.
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Re: Cold Steel products
[Re: diceman]
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09/14/07 02:33 AM
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I think that everything should be legal. A shard from a broken prison cafeteria tray is just as, or more deadly than any plastic knife made.
Banning the plastic knives from the Cold Steel catalog does absolutely nothing, and does not make anyone safer.
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Re: Cold Steel products
[Re: diceman]
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09/14/07 02:39 AM
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Then we get in to cell phone guns, deringers inside of tape recorders, and all of that. There's a point where, unless you're marketing to James Bond, that a product has virtually no legitimate use.
There's always bulletins going to LEO agencies about disguised guns and knives, cuff keys integrated in to rings, and all of that - which are a huge threat to officer safety - but many of which are "legal."
I'd hate to be the new guy at the airport that let a "honeycomb" slip through security, not knowing what it was, and then having something bad happen as a result.
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Re: Cold Steel products
[Re: Rat Finkenstein]
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09/14/07 02:41 AM
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diceman
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I think that everything should be legal. A shard from a broken prison cafeteria tray is just as, or more deadly than any plastic knife made.
Banning the plastic knives from the Cold Steel catalog does absolutely nothing, and does not make anyone safer. Not saying to ban it - I'm a die hard conservative republican (I swear!) and I'm all for having an armed public - but there are some personal issues I have w/ some of that stuff, as far as it being total crap w/ very little legitimate use.
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Re: Cold Steel products
[Re: diceman]
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09/14/07 02:46 AM
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i see both sides, good points
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Re: Cold Steel products
[Re: scrappy]
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09/14/07 02:49 AM
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diceman
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i see both sides, good points So do I - I don't think that anything needs to be "done" about it, but it just speaks to me a little about the "integrity" of the company... Selling quality knives and plastic sticks w/ spikes just seems a little off to me. Its like selling bibles and condoms in the same store <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Cold Steel products
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09/14/07 02:59 AM
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I am learning not to let personal issues get between me and a knife I want...while I think 98% of their products are crap...they have a few I like....such as the older TrailMaster....great chopper and helluva blade. I want to try a San Mai version if I can find one for the right price....not the 400ish CS retail crap.
Same with Strider...I hate the fella on a personal level, but [censored], he makes a few....very few mind you knives that I think are outstanding. Like a RC...shameless wanted plug.
Buy it, try it...if you don't like it sell it, don't trash it. These companies don't stay in business by selling only trash. I have the Cold Steel Trail Master in San Mai. It seems like a great knife to me...... But, I agree with HD - Swamp Rat and Scrap Yard have made the TrailMaster obsolete. I still think it is a nice knife... But, it has been bested. I also have the Fallkniven Thor (or "Tor"). The Thor is nicer than the TrailMaster and a little bit larger - maybe 1/2" longer and a little heavier as well. The Thor is laminated very much like the Trail Master - effectively San Mai, has a very nice stacked leather handle and a very nice/well made (albiet it tad orange) leather sheath. The Thor is actually quite impressive, but it is expensive. I bought it before I knew about Swamp Rat and long before Scrap Yard existed. The problem with the Trail Master San Mai and the Thor is they cost too much compared to .... Oh... Say .... A Dog Father!!!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bowdown.gif" alt="" /> The Dog Father is a better chopper than the Trail Master and the Thor as a chopper. I also have a Cold Steel Master Tanto San Mai 12" blade. I think it is very nice and I was able to make a great purchase on it for a little over $100.00. That was a Great buy. But, those buys don't come often. I also have a Master Hunter. The Master Hunter comes in different types of steel. The one I have is actually pretty nice for a cheaper blade. I think they can be had via ebay for around $50 or so. But, I have so many other knives from Swamp Rat, Scrap Yard, Bark River and others that are much nicer and better knives (Even if more expensive), so I am going to sell my Master Hunter. I could make the same arguement to justify selling my TrailMaster and Thor, but I will hold them for now. Those will be my only two Cold Steel knives - until I pick up some of those cheap, but effective looking machetes Vic has been showing us. I have some other Fallkniven knives. Fallkniven appears to be a great company, run by good people making a good product. I have the Thor along with the A1, an S1 custom micarta and an F1 custom micarta. All are great knives. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> .
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Re: Cold Steel products
[Re: KnifeGuy]
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09/14/07 04:04 AM
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I owned the Trailmaster as well. Nice blade, good steel, bad handle. I still own a few SRK's, decent all-purpose knife. The problem with their fixed blades is the lack of radiused tang and ergonomics. Even if they're alirght knives I wouldn't bet my life on one. I've seen too many fail when they should have not. Also, I don't give a rat's a** about CS's advertising. I'm not gonna sit there whine about it and repeat what's already been said many times before.
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Re: Cold Steel products
[Re: diceman]
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09/14/07 04:22 AM
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I think that everything should be legal. A shard from a broken prison cafeteria tray is just as, or more deadly than any plastic knife made.
Banning the plastic knives from the Cold Steel catalog does absolutely nothing, and does not make anyone safer. Not saying to ban it - I'm a die hard conservative republican (I swear!) and I'm all for having an armed public - but there are some personal issues I have w/ some of that stuff, as far as it being total crap w/ very little legitimate use. I get what you are saying, but the idea that an item needs a legitimate use, or a "good reason" to possess, is the standard rationalization by those who do want to selfishly take away our freedom so they will "feel" safer. (which is why I can't help but rant about the subject) Non metallic knives have been around for a long time. How about a traditional flint knife? Novelty weapons like Cold Steel sells are a good thing. Kids who buy a Cold Steel product are less likely to get hurt when playing around with it, due to the fact that it is less likely to break than a POS junker (which is the only other available option for some stuff. The way I see it, it is already illegal to carry certain things certain places, (which is pretty much BS in the first place.) People used to be able to carry knives on the planes, and they still should. The existence of a plastic novelty dagger was a non issue. The fact that it is an issue is due to the folks determined to take away our rights with ridiculous reactionary laws and restrictions against objects they fear due to their own stupidity. I don't see any reason or possible legitimate use for beanie Babies or little crystal figurines, but I think people should be able to have them. If I put the figurines or even a rock collection in a sock and started beating people to death with it, should we ban socks and rocks? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Cold Steel products
[Re: Rat Finkenstein]
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09/14/07 04:26 AM
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PS: the above rant was not targeted towards you, saying that you want to ban anything, it was just just about the "antis"
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