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Re: tough knives compared [Re: ColdOne] #201537 01/22/08 10:54 PM
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Nope.

The steel in the weld would be as hard as it possibly could be, having cooled from molten and not being tempered. So you end up with a relatively soft item (the FFBM) being pounded between the hammer and the weld. It was only a matter of time until the FFBM gave out.

I believe gave out on the second pipe cut which was the same one the S6 gave out on. Interesting INFI is tough stuff. I wounder how the DF will compair.


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Re: tough knives compared [Re: Bors] #201538 01/22/08 11:07 PM
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but the infi edge held out better than that of SR77

Re: tough knives compared [Re: scrappy] #201539 01/22/08 11:34 PM
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I'm curious about the upcoming DF test aswell!
What also would be cool to see,if you would put a SwampRat SR101 knive through its paces too.Do you've got planned anything in that regard,scrappy?

Alex

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Re: tough knives compared [Re: Bors] #201540 01/22/08 11:42 PM
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Nope.

The steel in the weld would be as hard as it possibly could be, having cooled from molten and not being tempered. So you end up with a relatively soft item (the FFBM) being pounded between the hammer and the weld. It was only a matter of time until the FFBM gave out.

I believe gave out on the second pipe cut which was the same one the S6 gave out on. Interesting INFI is tough stuff. I wounder how the DF will compair.

On both tests the second cuts ended up going into the weld. It would be interesting to see how many cuts could have been made otherwise. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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Re: tough knives compared [Re: boef800] #201541 01/23/08 12:22 AM
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I'm curious about the upcoming DF test aswell!
What also would be cool to see,if you would put a SwampRat SR101 knive through its paces too.Do you've got planned anything in that regard,scrappy?

Alex

I don't think he will be doing that test now that he did the scrapper 6.
I could be wrong though.


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Re: tough knives compared [Re: eatingmuchface] #201542 01/23/08 12:49 AM
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I'm curious about the upcoming DF test aswell!
What also would be cool to see,if you would put a SwampRat SR101 knive through its paces too.Do you've got planned anything in that regard,scrappy?

Alex

I don't think he will be doing that test now that he did the scrapper 6.
I could be wrong though.

Oh,haven't seen it from that perspective yet...one knife from one steel.
You may well be right with that guess eatin',but wouldn't it be a pitty?

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Re: tough knives compared [Re: Rainwalker] #201543 01/23/08 01:29 AM
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I'm very glad that Noss has the time and resources to do those test. I always enjoy seeing the results, and on a couple of occasions the tests have helped me in making blade buying decisions. I always look forward to more test. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

I would also add to your line " --- that Noss has the time and resources to do those test"--- "and the energy to beat on a blade that long and hard". Unless you watch what he does it is hard to explain it to anyone.

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but the infi edge held out better than that of SR77

INFI is an amazing steel, no wonder they are known as nuclear tough.

Always remember that ScrapYard rules the "Performance to Price Ratio" <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

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but the infi edge held out better than that of SR77

INFI is an amazing steel, no wonder they are known as nuclear tough.

Always remember that ScrapYard rules the "Performance to Price Ratio" <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

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yes it does, the S6 had the highest rating until the fbm but an S6 is a third the cost of an ash
dan, thanks for the great blades

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but the infi edge held out better than that of SR77

INFI is an amazing steel, no wonder they are known as nuclear tough.

Always remember that ScrapYard rules the "Performance to Price Ratio" <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Dan
yes it does, the S6 had the highest rating until the fbm but an S6 is a third the cost of an ash
dan, thanks for the great blades

I got a call from Boss Hog when he saw the test...and he had more fun jabbing me about the new rating over ScrapYard <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif" alt="" /> it may have something to do with the hard time I gave him when the Scrapper 6 test came out. Most likely he is still smarting over my winning the Johnny Walker Blue from him <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

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Re: tough knives compared [Re: Dumpster Dan] #201547 01/23/08 02:54 AM
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but the infi edge held out better than that of SR77

INFI is an amazing steel, no wonder they are known as nuclear tough.

Always remember that ScrapYard rules the "Performance to Price Ratio" <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Dan
yes it does, the S6 had the highest rating until the fbm but an S6 is a third the cost of an ash
dan, thanks for the great blades

I got a call from Boss Hog when he saw the test...and he had more fun jabbing me about the new rating over ScrapYard <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif" alt="" /> it may have something to do with the hard time I gave him when the Scrapper 6 test came out. Most likely he is still smarting over my winning the Johnny Walker Blue from him <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Long Live The Brotherhood of The Yard and the Performance to Price Ratio

Dan

That was a VERY impressive set of tests. I haven't watched all 70 minutes plus of videos yet. But, I watched the first couple and last 2-3 hammering through the pipe. Very impressive. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bowdown.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bowdown.gif" alt="" />


Hopefully you reminded Jerry that his 1 extra sword rating 7 over 6 (about 15% higher rating if one sword means as much) costs more than twice as much!


ALSO, I don't know if anybody else mentioned, but comparing the FFBM at 0.31 - 0.32" thick isn't really a fair comparison in toughness compared to a Scrapper 6 at 0.25" thick.

That is about 20% thicker which is HUGE! Plus, I believe the blade height is higher on the FFBM. So, a SIGNIFICANT amount more steel - should be more than 20% at any given cross section. The height of the blade is arguably able to withstand that type of torgue down on the blade from hammering more than even the thickness. So, MORE than 20% more steel and a significant blade height advantage that was relavant to both knives in their failures. Niethe failed on any longitude torque test only by hammering on the spine - Blade height and total amount of steel are both relevant - and only got 15% higher rating! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

Still, I was VERY impressed with how well the edge held up on the INFI. I don't think SR-77 can hold an edge quite like that. But, I still wonder how INFI would compare to SR-77 at the same thicknesses, height, grind, etc. and comparable beatings - which would break first or have similar failure (?????) <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

Apples to apples is the only fair test.

..... So, I guess you need to make a round of FFBM sized SR-77 blades. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> - Of course, you would need to make a "FEW" and at Scrap Prices. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

Noss might be performing the same routine, but the knives themselves were significantly different. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

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Re: tough knives compared [Re: KnifeGuy] #201548 01/23/08 03:54 AM
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Well... Now I'm a little happier I have me a sage FFFBM. I think when I get another one, hopefully sage cuz' it's the sweetest color scheme, I can strip my user and put a nice satin finish on it.

Can't wait to go wail on it some more this weekend.

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An unimpressive image of the FFFBM. But... I did stick the knife from over 20 feet away. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> *THUNK*


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