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Re: Who loves/hates the secondary market? [Re: 338 Stalker] #236731 08/05/08 11:13 PM
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The secondary market is a great asset. It allows us to purchase knives that we want that are no longer offered, and sell our own knives if we have found others we like better.


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Re: Who loves/hates the secondary market? [Re: 338 Stalker] #236732 08/05/08 11:21 PM
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Love it or hate it,once a knife is released and is no longer in production if you get one it will be from the secondary market. It doesnt take long to realize who is really trying to flip knives or is selling to fund a another purchase or trying to trade up. I have bought a couple that were probably underpriced but the sellers still turned a small profit. Since I joined the forums not quite a year ago I havent bought a knife from a brick and mortar store.


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Re: Who loves/hates the secondary market? [Re: chickenplucker] #236733 08/06/08 12:00 AM
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Aren't you glad I picked up an extra DFLE, CP? With the sheath and a free sharpening, you came out ok. I don't buy up lots of new releases to turn them later on the exchange, but I occasionally get an extra or two. The secondary market exists because it fills a need or demand. It's as American as Harley-Davidson!


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Re: Who loves/hates the secondary market? [Re: chickenplucker] #236734 08/06/08 12:09 AM
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I got my DF on the second market at a reasonable price but hate to see when the price is jacked up unreasonably.

Re: Who loves/hates the secondary market? [Re: Horn Dog] #236735 08/06/08 12:10 AM
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I was thinking about you when I wrote that. Thanks Horn Dog


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Re: Who loves/hates the secondary market? [Re: chickenplucker] #236736 08/06/08 01:22 AM
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I usually buy a at least 2 knives and the most I bought was 5. I wish I bought 40 DFLE's instead of 4 though. I especially like being to trade because that is one way you can get knives on the secondary market for retail prices. When a good knife comes out buy a few and then trade for the ones you want and the mark up's cancel each other out. Of the 5 HCLE's I have kept one traded 2 and will probably sell a couple.


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Re: Who loves/hates the secondary market? #236737 08/06/08 03:39 AM
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I Love It,

I've used it twice to make two very sound (in my mind) purchases, a used, re-profiled and stripped Dog Father for $130(maybe from one or you folks) and a new CE SARsquatch for $330. I can't complain about either purchase. The DF has a sound blade. I can use it to hone my skills in blade re-profiling on my belt grinder and (hopefully) still have a great user. The price on new CE Sarsqutch's has been going up like crazy. I could easily sell it for more than I paid for it as is but no way, this one will be a user.

Re: Who loves/hates the secondary market? [Re: Dogbert] #236738 08/06/08 04:14 AM
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Vital & I like it.

If it wasn't for the existence of the secondary market I would have never been able to put my set together.


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Re: Who loves/hates the secondary market? [Re: ColdOne] #236739 08/06/08 04:37 AM
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dogbert?
was this DFCG satin finished (with the dimples left on it) with a swedge and nice mirror polished convex grind?
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Re: Who loves/hates the secondary market? #236740 08/06/08 06:14 AM
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Or perhaps even better, buyers educate yourselves! You too can buy directly from the manufacturers if you take the time to learn how.

Well, kind of. If you are new to the Busse kin knives, and you see all of these great looking blades, naturally you are going to want one. While you can learn how to buy the next release by quiting your job and sitting in front of your computer 24/7 waiting and waiting for them to pop up in the company store for who knows how long. The only way you can buy most of the earlier models is on the secondary market. The secondary market is a necessary evil when it comes to Busse kin knives if you want access to each and every blade. About the best thing you can do is be patient and just watch them all. Every chance you get check the "for sale" sections on the various forums. Heck, I sometimes check them at 2 or 3am in the morning when I get up to get a drink or whatever. Ever so often deals do pop up, but you have to be ready to pounce!
The advantage we have in The Yard is that Dan gives us a 48-hour notice before he sells Scrap Yard knives and he always sells them in the evenings or on weekends. That way, most people who want them have a chance to get them. Those who can't be at the right place at the right time normally arrange in advance to have proxies purchase on their behalf.

and we dont have to deal with the questionable email at or after the set "time", im sure there are some people who get whatever they want despite what the time stamp says

also with Scrapyard and the store you know right there instantly if you got a knife

Re: Who loves/hates the secondary market? [Re: banana-clip] #236741 08/06/08 06:43 AM
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But buying 10 knives at MSRP and selling them for $100 or double what you paid 2 months later is crazy to me, but supply and demand dictates prices and if people are willing to pay it, go for it.

doubling their money 2 months later is an exaggeration and if you do see an extra $100 tacked on it is either a vary rare piece that deserves to have $100 tacked on or it was a very expensive piece in the first place and percentage wise $100 is minimal or average.


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Re: Who loves/hates the secondary market? [Re: northern1] #236742 08/06/08 10:56 AM
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I don't think the Poll options capture the entire picture.

The secondary market is a great thing and an inate right of any owner....especially in a democracy.

There are however points which apply seperately to it and which involve the manufactures....particularly with Busse-kin knives...and which relate to business....their business...and that is if you sell a product in high demand at what price do you sell for? The family clearly look to sell at a fair price......

Then this opens the door to some who buy up all they can and sell this on at a not so fair price....

My view is that limiting purchases of stock by way of the numbers able to be bought in bulk by an individual would be a good thing....sure enable someone to buy two or three...a user and one for a collection or buy a different colour combination....

But if you have an approach to buy 100% of your stock by 5% of the probable customer base....then you know these are destined to be re-traded for a profit by the parties doing the buying....so either the manufacturer is missing a potential extra profit margin or knows that the "fair" method they are working towards is going to be usurped by the secondary "traders"....who are simply buying to create scarcity and turn a profit...or buying with the knowledge that if they can get them there will be a profit....and in the certainty that if they don't someone else will....in that sense therefore ...the only control can really come from the supplier.

If Dan pitches at a fair price....instead of marking them up to Forum Exchange prices....then why not look to ensure that 100% of the customer base has a chance to benefit from being able to buy the knives? Or charge more so that the business can grow to fulfil the true demand ?

I am not a fan of people bulk buying so they get their knives for free at others expense and probably more cash on top as well.....not when the "family" of makers are selling at fair prices which could easily be increased....to me that just stops guys who would like to own the knives for what they were meant for....such as use in the Armed Services...of either getting a knife or of affording a knife.

Someone posted a thread a while back as to what knives were being carried by US and UK troops In Iraq and Afghanistan? Lets also not forget our other allies as well such as the Cz troops and the Canadians and anyone else playing a role...these guys are putting it on the line and are not well paid...the "fair" prices are good for them if they can get a good knife...the secondary market often even refuses to sell outside CONUS and increases the prices...which is not good for them or anyone else who has a deserving case to be a user.

I thought a guy wanting a DMDC was a sniper I had met in Cz and whilst it turns out he is not the same guy....I am still getting him a knife and pants for what it costs me....these guys are not often able to get equipment or easily afford it.....it is the same with Nightforce Scopes and other gear which is better than issued kit....my point being that if the "family" are selling their knives "fairly".....is it right for customers to ignore their sentiments and just "profiteer" from it all ? I don't think so.


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