How much will the DFLE cost? single choice
	$149.95
	$159.95
	$169.95
	$179.95
	$189.95
	$199.95
	$209.95
	$219.95
	$229.95
	$239.95
Votes accepted starting: 04/08/07 07:35 PM You must vote before you can view the results of this poll.

I will go with $189.00

I think the $200 is a major division.. I doubt Dan would want to go past it, but the DF is a lot more blade to get shiny!

Oh baby the DOG FATHER with a shine job I better get e wet-nap. That will be sweet, oh and I sat 189.95.

How much will the DFLE cost? I dunno but I'll probably pay it!


i think 179 is a good bet.

I guessed $189.95, but it could well be more. Dan already mentioned that the DFLEs were taking a lot of time to finish. Time is labor is money.

I went with 199.95.

A DFLE is going to be a big chunk of shiny steel. A lot of extra work is going to be involved in their manufacture over the CG DF. That being said, I just don't see Dan pushing over the $200 mark for a knife at this time.

I look forward to finding out though!

I guessed 199.95 but Dan keeps surprising us with his aggressive pricing. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

199 is my guess as well. Hoping for less <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

I think you guys are underestimating a bit. I guessed 219$ because it is going to take a lot of work and there not the need to provide people with the best user. Most of these will probably end up as safe queens. There will also be a limited amount. When you look at how much more a S6LE was than the S6CG. Look what a FBMLE costs! I love RES C but I could see micarta or even wood for handle material on the LE models someday.

I don’t think it will be that much extra work. Remember, they don’t shine ‘em up by hand the slow long way like most people do, they have benchgrinder buffers and all that. I don’t think it would take more than a few hours per knife. Of course, if you had a few hundred knives, that’s gonna add up and take a long time, but it shouldn’t add that much extra cost I don’t think.

I don’t want micarta on Dogs! It’d be the Swamp all over again! I don’t really like wood either. I’d rather have res-c or micarta. You could always mod one and make your own micarta or wood handle though. Might be a neat project. Wolf at Swamp Rat is in the process of modding his HRLM. He rounded the butt, and will be putting custom handles and filework on it. I thought it would be neat to do something like that, but I don’t have the skill for it.

i guessed $219.95

iirc.. Unsub (or was it ugug?) worked it out that..
$89.95 S6 -> $139.95 S6LE, was like +55.6%
so $139.95 DF +55.6% = ~$217.74 DFLE

But if Dan does it for less.. BONUS!!


i would imagine it's much more work.. all that polishing!
I'm polishing some bare Infi right now.. and it's a pain in the Butt!
i've stopped.. maybe i'll find some more patience later..

So Next knife.. i think i'll Buy it all polished up rather than try myself!

I'm hoping for $189 but what ever it is I'll probably get at least one.

Crazy Dan's Dumpster Blowout!!! ONLY $169.99 for the Dogs who deserve the best. Dan and Patti will deliver the best at a ridiculous price! EVEN FOOLING US!!!

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bowdown.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crossfingers.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
Loving the Busse Family,
Peace & Co.

I prefer ResC by far on a user but it is not the best looking stuff in the world.
A Custom maker needs to charge about 100$ an hour to make it worth it financially and I could not see it being much less for Dan. I am all for Dan making a few extra bucks on the LE models so he can give a better price on the users. They are going to be at least 400$ on BF so why shouldn't Dan get a bigger percentage than some speculator.

Whatever price for the LE will be, I'll bite.

Except Dan isn't about trying to get as much money out of us as he can. His thing is high performance knives at crazy low prices. Who here thought the Dumpster Mutt was going to be $69.95? I was expecting half that again!

I don't know what to really expect, but I think a lot of us will once again be surprised and/or shocked at the price Dan offers the LE at.

I don't know what to really expect, but I think a lot of us will once again be surprised and/or shocked at the price Dan offers the LE at. [/quote]


That's what were counting on. Dan has done a great job of keeping us surprised and happy dogs.

I just love the look and durablity of micarta. And rubber handles are just not much to look at, but they sure feel good. If the LE had micarta scales, it would be fine with me. I have big black DF for use, anyway.

Does anyone know how much more if any, it costs to use micarta?

"cost of micarta"..

hmm.. good question.. well the new micarta HRLMs are $128.95
..and the last res c HRs were = $88.95 ?

BUT that was back in what? 2003?? (Andy might know)
so inflation too..

Every commercial knife I know of that has micarta seems to cost a bit more than comparable models with rubber handles. What ever Dan does with the LEs, I hope he keeps the Res C for the user models, especially the big choppers.

I agree,
I like Res C. It's hard to beat the shock dampening and grip comfort. It spoils you.

Ok, so maybe a better example would be ones you could buy at the same time. Like CT vs. RW and BR vs. RM. It’s been a while, so I don’t remember the original prices. I think the CT was lke $119 or so. BR was like $150. I can’t remember the prices of the RW and RM right now, someone else might know.

Andy Wayne,OH!
check out this link, post #5..
http://bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=437480

Camp Tramp vs Ratweiler
$128.95 < $178.95 = $50 difference

Battle Rat vs Rat Mastiff
$148.95 < $238.95 = $90 difference (woa!)

HRLM (3rd gen) vs HR (res-C)
$128.95 > 88.95 = $40 difference

From that link.. they were All GOOD prices..

but that thru-hardened Battle Rat!!?? was a STEAL for $118.95!!??

"Battle Rat (thru hardened, black blade, tan res-c) $118.95"

somebody musta been Drunk when they priced that one! Holy smokes!

I'm thinking $7.00, but it was not an option, so I chose 179.95

Man,
Looking at thoase prices does make me wish I had jumped on any or all of them at the time.
Thanks for the link Tony

I’m glad I got mine at that price. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Cheaper than a CT! Now they sell for $200-$300. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Too bad I didn’t have the $ to buy a truckload!

I don't plan on missing any of the future SYKCO releases. The value of this line is just too good!

And I have ALL OF THEM...except the RW. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

yea micarta costs more

That is why I make my own evilcarta!!!

I call it Candy Cane EVILCARTA!!!

Andy,oh you lucky Dog you!
or actually.. Rat!


ksjumpmd,Exactly!
i mean everybody talks about 'oh if i only had a time machine'..
but THIS is it! ScrapYard is like going back in time! this stuff is soo.. ::whispers:: cheap.. yet their Toughness can hang with many of the big (expensive) boys!

I don't see how he could offer it for less than 250.00, considering that the scrapper limited twice the price of the regular.

On a side note, what price puts you mutts out of consideration for this release?

Arkie,Well whatever price it is.. it'd be a Bargain compared to anything else that's on the market.

Oh man.. if Dan ever released a Sword??!!
shoot i'd follow him to hell for that Sword! (it'd be a pretty cheap trip too <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> )

I am guessing he will try to keep it under $200. I voted $189 though.

I need to take a new “family pic” since I got the DM. I was waiting because my SS4 will be coming soon, so I thought I’d wait until it arrives.


Maybe if we keep bugging him he’ll give in eventually. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

rvogster,hehehe..
that's what i was thinkin.. i should've voted Lower.. then maybe it'll be like jedi mind tricks.. and it'll get priced Lower <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

See, that’s the one thing I don’t like about bld522 doing these pricing surveys. I’m afraid if Dan keeps seeing that we’re expecting him to price the knives higher than he actually does, he might figure we’d gladly pay more and raise the prices on us! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

I'd pay 199 if it had a tan handle.
My satin BR (with a tan grip) ran 199.00, so that's how I am judging.
at that price range, it needs to be extra special for me to hop on it.

Hmm.....that story sounds familiar. The only question then is whether another one of Jerry's relatives will start a fourth knife company after it happens.

Can't say I'd agree with that statement. Have you tried the new HRLM? It's seriously a lot more knife than the original HRs. The new handle makes a bigger difference than you would expect.

My first Swamp Rat is a HRLM. I absolutely love this knife. It is so right. No regrets on that purchase at all.

Actually, it's less knife...more handle. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />


Glad I was able to tempt you into it. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

No sir Mr. Andy! I spoke correctly! The knife consists of blade AND handle, so more handle is more knife <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Why not both? I love the Res C, especially for choppers, since it absorbs some of the shock. But you must admit that micarta is nice.

Might be nice on an LE model every now and again.

No, you're right, I'm not saying that I personally would prefer it (but I'm sure I'd pay the extra anyways!), just saying that it doesn't sound like a good idea for his CG knives.

Your logic and reason are inescapable, Bruce. Micarta is expensive. It requires drilling and cutting and sanding. I was suggesting that maybe for the LE models, he could do it. How much would I pay for a DFLE with fat micarta scales? About $250 to $300. What's a FBMLE sell for?

I'd pay it for sure on a DFLE. Would pay $140 for a DMLE (oooh, anyone thought of asking about that yet!!?) w/ micarta slabs.

I'm comparing like blades to like blades from the same manufacturer. I think Tony or Andy calculated a $30 price increase from the HR to the HRLM? If the first knife was great at its original price and the second knife is even better then the only question is it $30 better. And, IMO, I believe the answer is yes.

I don't measure the goodness of the knife solely by the amount of steel in the blade. Certainly the blade length, width and thickness are factors in choosing a knife. However, if you have a specific application for the knife you'll find the handle ergnomics matter too. IMO, the DM with the micarta handles would be an incrementally "better" knife from an ergonomics standpoint and worth paying more money for. You can always improve things a little more but it always costs extra to do so. To say so is not a complaint against Scrapyard knives.

I would buy a Swamp Rat Dumpster Mutt with micarta handles if such a hybrid ever existed.

Oh, I know. The DFLE will be a satin version of the one I have. I'm just saying that I would LIKE one with fat micarta scales, just so it would be pretty. There is no doubt that Res C is a superior user handle and much cheaper to make.
I hope he never quits making res C handles.

On a 6" blade or longer I agree Res-C rocks. On a sub 6" blade is where I find micarta to be nice.

I find that the Basic grip is quite attractive with the variations in texture and the little ridges... I'd like to see Dan do something "signature" to this ResC grips though - even branding the dog face on the side or something would do it for me and wouldn't be too much work I don't think.

I'd like to see..
All Three companies continue to make great knives for Many years to come!
More choices in: steel, handle type, finish, price, etc.. = More better for Us!

Cheers!

I started quite a thread with the idea of micarta or wood handles.
I would only want to see micarta or wood on a LE model. I would definitly not want anything but RES C on any of the other yard knives. I have bought 2 pieces of canvas micarta for a knife I made and they were 20$. I would rather see wood myself especially on a bowie. Hickory is one of my favorite handle materials because it is cheap and with the proper grain hickory is almost twice as strong as the next strongest wood. I get my hickory from old tools at the recycle centre.
It is a great material. People tend to forget natural materials nowadays but in many cases they are better than the synthetics that have replaced them.

Just think of a satin Dogfather with a hickory handle and nice leather sheath.
I would keep mine mint and think it would look great next to my CG dogfather once it has 10 or 20 years of scars. You could still use a hickory handled DF just as
hard as a CG and it would be awesome for reanactors. I totally agree that Swamprat changing to micarta was a bad idea(other than it led to the scrapyard being viable)but it makes sense only for a limited edition model.

I like your idea Diceman. The SS4 had mudder grips and a satin back edge to make it special.

I don't know if I can drop more than $150 on a blade.

DFLE is out of the question then! The CG was $140.

Unsub,!!!
isn't that the truth?!

The SS4's mudder handle is AWESOME! it is Substantial, fills the hand Very nicely.. and you can just Crank on that knife! I Love the Mudder handle!

the small basic handle just seems a bit small.. even for my medium hands.

I definitely prefer the Mudder handle.

CG? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

Busse speak for Combat Grade vs. LE = Limited Edition

So DFCG vs. DFLE. Got it. I'll reserve my decision for when I see the thing.

The Combat Grade Dogfathers will be released again too, likely at the same $140 price point. The DFLE is more likely to approach $200. I hope that the CG's come back before too long though. I've seen them going for some aweful inflated prices on Ebay in the mean time! ($250)

Maybe I'll just snag a CG. Will they be made available at the same time?

What ever it is...I will get my 1~!!!!

No - they'll come later. The DFLE's have been made for a while, but have been getting a lot of hand finishing done on them. The S6 should be shortly after that, and then hopefully the DF will follow. I'd say it'll at least be a couple of months. You'll likely be able to get a DFLE for the same price as the CG's are going for on the secondary market though!

Dammit! I want one meow! S6? Scrapper 6?

Yeah. I voted for $149.95. Positive thinking! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

I hope he charges over 200........he deserves to get more money for his blades that sell for so much more after they release...I would rather Dan get the money than Day Traders.

Ummmm. You don't think they'll just resell at a similar markup anyway?

I am sure they will, but at least Dan will get a better percent of profit. If people are willing to pay 2x the price Dan should charge at least 50% more. The after market will do what it does best...rip off people. So Dan should make a few extra dollars off of it.

Bruce, you are such a business man! I bet you could drive the car dealers nuts when you shop for a car.

Then you know their evil ways! I feel like I know you better than I know a lot of people I have actually met. It just comes through in your posts. You are a hard sell, for sure. I just get a kick out of your posts. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

I am with Gravelface on this one. I would like to see Dan make a higher percentage of the LE models than the CG versions. That way the collectors and daytraders can subsidize the users a bit.

I don't understand what you're saying. When people in the secondary market charge twice the retail price because people are willing to pay it, it's a rip off, but if Dan were to double his retail price(Well, not double it. 50% markup, as you've postulated. Same idea, though) because people were willing to pay it, it's a sooooper idea. Why don't you just send him a tip?

It all comes down to that I hate the People that buy 10+ copies of a blade in order to flip it right away for a profit to the same people they call "friend"......"Oh you missed out on it...well I happen to have a spare and you can have it for $90 for than I paid 2 days ago!" I feel Dan should o get in on this and charge a bit more. Buying extras isn't the problem.....I know a few folks do this to help cover the people who are at work or away while the knives are released and then offer them at a minimal markup....5 plus shipping.

Just because people are willing to pay it doesn't make it a good idea. If people want to play these games they should play the stock market.

My tip wouldn't cover what I think he deserves. Not only for creating affordable knives for those quick enough to get them while he has them to offer, but for creating this great forum, and when I see people charging outragous fees for knives that are still in the cardboard sheath, I feel Dan should get a bit more....I know running this place isn't free, maybe he could give a bonus to his employees or start making some of that Gear we all want......if he would charge more these things may be possible....we all know his blades will sell for whatever price these scoundrels place on them.

Something like that. "Should" might be better off exchanged for "could." Price of sale is going to be an agreement between supplier and consumer in all but the rarest instances.

And shouldn't everyone be able to get a New Blade at Dan's price. Older blades that have been off the market for a while...sure, I get that. But this.....this just pisses me off.

And ripping off Dogs on a tighter budget doesn't have a down side?!

You realize that some people actually sell knives for a living, right? I understand what you're saying. You resent the effect that scarcity has on pricing and the difference between a pure collector and an entrepreneur.

Well, unless Dan does it. Right?(This was exactly my point before. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />)

And raising initial retail prices would neither make the knives more available to collectors nor prevent markups in the secondary market. So why aren't you giving him "a bit more?"

Well, not if Dan does it, right?

He is the one who put this together....he deserves it more than wannabe knife dealers!

Sure! That would be awesome. Unfortunately, as I understand it these knives are limited mainly due to the supply of material as opposed to an artificially limited production run. If production was not so limited, everyone could get one at Dan's price. It is, so they can't.

entrepreneur


1. a person who organizes and manages any enterprise, esp. a business, usually with considerable initiative and risk.

Are you saying that the flippers are entrepreneurs or is Dan?

Then go ahead and give it to him. If Dan charges more, your wannabe knife dealers will charge more as well, making it even harder on the poor collectors who missed the dinner bell.

They are both entrepreneurs. Dan COULD charge more. Flippers COULD charge less. They price their items for their own reasons.

There would be more to go around if people showed a bit of restraint.

There would be more to go around at Dan's pricing if people only bought one, yes.

That is that, and scalpers are scalpers.....and the earth will continue to spin and I will continue to be pissed at wannabe entrepreneurs who piggy back off the offerings of the Yard or and any other Knife company.

I wasn't aware there were any winners in this...are you competing for something?

That would be the end of buying spares, buying extras for gifts, buying extras to cover people who couldn't camp in front of the computer at the right time, etc. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face! I also think Dan will keep his pricing inline with his norm. As I've said, people set their prices for their own reasons. I think Dan's goals are pretty clear; to provide a product of incredible quality and functionality at an unbeatable value -- resellers bedamned.

I got a DM. I win. Dan wins. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

At the end of the Day all we have is the relationships we have with people and those that continue to Rip off folks will find their pocket books fat (if they think they are going to make any real money from this) and real lonely.

Do you get this pissed at all the knife dealers at shows who don't crank out their own knives?

Wow lots of good points on these pages.

Ripoff is completely subjective. No one has to buy a SY knife. People choose to buy these beauties. First choice is to buy from Dan. If you screw that up, you pay the price. If it wasn't worth it, you wouldn't pay. How do you rip someone off when they voluntarily pay what they feel a product is worth?

No, I really like the Yard and the people and the folks trying to squeeze money out of some folks pisses me off......are you trying to take this to a whole new level?

Not really. It's just a similar scenario. As you say, this just feels more personal to you.

voluntarily, but begrudgingly. Now some may have to work 2x as hard to get a knife. And keeping new people from experiancing Scrap Yard.......they don't understand why someone would charge more than retail and pass on the oppertunity to get one.

Besides, those are Authorized dealers for the most part.......no one is as far as I know for Scrap Yard.

StabbyJoe,well.. i do hate car dealers.
Anybody who doesn't add value to a product.. ie middleman, flipper, dealer.

Well at least "authorized dealers" can do Something.. warranty stuff maybe, and at least they carry regular stock..

Slowing down.....this was starting to get good!

I had to cook some Chef Boyardee. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

LOL......shame!!!!

I see you three are still at it!

I have no problem with someone buying a spare...but come on...how many do you need and that's the rub...how do you tell the difference between Scalpers and those doing good?

I part with most of my cash begrudgingly. I imagine you do as well, which might explain your hesitancy to just send some extra money on over to Dan. Keep new people away from the SY? No way. It makes it even more appealing to become part of the crew here so you can be in the know, get your blade at the right time, and cut the resellers out altogether.

well, the cool thing about Busse family knives is you can sell 'em for at least what you paid, oftentimes More.

Not all the handle shapes agree with my hand.. so it's nice to be able to get the money back out.. try something else.. etc.. until the "perfect" knives are found.

i think realistically.. the only way to stop Flippers.. is for folks to Stop buying from them.. or the knifemaker impose some kind of limit/s.

it's kind of a catch-22.

You may have noticed that Scrap Yard doesn't exactly need any secondary distributors or dealers. They can sell out directly to the public. If they did have distributors, Dan would make even less money selling to them at wholesale prices so they could beat the freelance resellers. And the stock would still dry up immediately and the resellers would sell at whatever price they wanted anyway.

What the hell are you talking about?

StabbyJoe,good point SJ.
At least We are dealing directly with Dan (well those who get in on release day).
That's nice to know. Dan gets money, we get knives.

Dealers (middlemen) would definitely take their cut (from both Us and Dan).