For Blade stuff if you don't have access to A Filipino Martial Arts teacher I would recommend these DVD's

Martial Blade Concepts: A crash course Michael Janich

Knife Kem Ba Tivs by Kelly McCann

both can be found for about $30.00 each, and a LOT is on youtube.

Nothing beats a live teacher though

MM

Well BJJ and Judo both focus on live sparring or Randori.

As far as multiple opponents its gonna be hard for anyone or any style taking on multiples.

Most Judo/BJJers also take Muay Thai or Western Boxing as well...where they fight single opponents.

If I can throw someone on cement or do a Matrix move, I'll do a throw


MM

That is exactly my point a martial art verse "combat type training"
Many people that recommend BJJ, base this recommendation on watching MMA.
Many years ago I was attacked by 10 guys armed with knives and clubs.
Laying on my back in the guard position would have been fatal to me.

Knowing how to fight multiple opponents helped safe my life.

Our, Marines, martial arts program is a mix of Jiu Jitsu, kick boxing, boxing and many more disciplines. One of the elements introduced in the green belt curriculum is multiple opponents. Taking on two or more men is difficult to say the least.

You have to use angles to try and take one on at a time and keep your head on a swivel avoiding tunnel vision. That said, it usually comes down to "kill this guy before his buddy stabs me in the back so my comrades have less to fight when they get here."

We do a lot of knife fighting too. Even the knife sparring sessions I have won, I ended up with cuts (red lips stick marks from the rubber training knives cover in it) all over me. Very seldom, would I have walked away without needing serious medical attention.

Now, fighting an unarmed man or even an untrained knife wielding man while I have a knife, I think I could do a decent job of avoiding getting slashed too badly before sending him to bed.

No one who knows BJJ is going to pull guard in a street fight.. They are going to toss him on the ground and then (if needed) kick him in the head.
Also a few of the best things about BJJ are:
1) You practice NOT being taken to the ground by someone that knows how and is resisting your attempts to do the same.

2) if you fall you get right back up and you know how to quickly and efficiently AKA Stand-to-base.

3) You can practice all out if you want to learn leverage, timing etc.

MM
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I don't know if you are not understanding me or if I am not explaining myself.
BJJ is a martial art, just like many other martial arts, most of it's practioners do not train to "street fight or use it in combat"
Training for combat is specialized training.
When I was training it was primarily Aiki ju jitsu, muay tai for empty hand and arnis for weapons training.
I have trained with BJJ practioners and my youngest brother taught ground fighting at a local mma gym for a couple of years, so I do know how they train.

My only point is that combat training is not the same as combat training.

From my own personal experience you keep moving, get up asap if they knock you down, kick,punch,bite or claw anything in reach.
Take a hit to avoid a blade.
I did wind up in the emergency room, but aside from some scars no permanent damage.
However make no mistake if the cops did not arrive when they did I would have most likely have been killed.
Knowing how to fight just kept me alive until help arrived

I edited this quote to say what I think Yote was saying.

If my translation is correct, I have to agree with Yote.

I have done both regular MMA training and combat training. I never practiced jabbing my fingers into eye sockets, stomping skulls, biting, groin strikes or much of the other stuff people consider dirty fighting while at a civilian MMA gym.

Boxing is good stuff. You get movement, build power and get used to contact.

For me, it boils down to training with others who are actively resisting you/trying to bang on you. I spent years in kung-fu and Tae Kwon Do thinking I was pretty bad...things like boxing, kickboxing, muay thai, BJJ, judo, mma, wrestling let you know quickly and clearly how you are doing and where you are at in the pecking order. imo-ymmv

Bad guys run in packs so be ready to fight multiple guys. And you gotta know you are going to get hurt but it's all about damage control. The last one living is the victor.

Well...I'm fat and ugly...so I'll just go file my Form 4's for an M-16 and buy some Surefire 100 round mags. Handles multiple bad guys...Check!


EDIT: I've decided against the M-16. Takes waaaaay too long. I'm gonna get me a SCIZZY, and go train to be a NINJA...you know, at NINJA school. Yeah...I will wtfpwn multiple meanies in no time! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/paperbag.gif" alt="" />


EDIT 2: I'm really double thinking myself here. Can anyone recommend a good school that can teach me to run through the trees, ala Crouching Tiger / Hidden Dragon? Then, I can escapes multiple meanies quickly...and disappear without engagement.


EDIT 3: Crap...I just realized that the meanies might have gone to the same Crouching Tiger / Hidden Dragon school...then I am screwed! I'm back on the M-16 bandwagon.