Yes I thought you had missed my meaning....still...if I were explaining your tip about removing tannin stains on a blade by using a pencil eraser...and had said use a "rubber" to do the job... I might have had a few people scratching their heads and laughing as well....we still have some different uses on words between here and the US...LOL... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />