I thought the tan DF was a full grind <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />? Is this version different ? The Ganza is a blast IMO but I haven't faired very well at all <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif" alt="" />. Last Ganza I tried for like 10 pieces and didn't get one single knife <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />. Money is not the object here- that is just a " taken" . ya got to be lightning fast and these guys are FAST <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />. Still...........it is a bunch of fun and a great way to get some AWESOME steel <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />.I wish we could have a Dog Bowl- that would also be a real good time-Thanks <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />