now this is the place to talk B.O.B.s!!!! Leatherface <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

if you can't use it, don't pack it bro, but a gun in or another knife! You don't really need food and tinder you can get anywhere. sure it's good to have in the woods. I have a special "fire B.O.B" for all my fire needs, it's small, has several fire starting things (fire steel, bic, magnifying glass, nato matches, mag stick, and tinder)