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Re: Why are uncoated blades more expensive? [Re: Steel Fan] #250652 11/04/08 05:11 PM
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I agree with the reasons others have given, but this phenomena seems almost limited to Bussekin knives -- does the pock-marked "natural" finish, which takes so much effort to polish out, result from the special heat treat process?


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I agree with the reasons others have given, but this phenomena seems almost limited to Bussekin knives -- does the pock-marked "natural" finish, which takes so much effort to polish out, result from the special heat treat process?
I am pretty sure most if not all knife makers scuff the blade up before putting coating on it, if you took most any knife coated and stripped it I am sure you will find a rough surface. At least that is what I hear


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The competition finish blades, which weren't prepped for coating are quite rough, so I think it's probably part of the Busse manufacturing process.


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Re: Why are uncoated blades more expensive? [Re: Jim] #250655 11/04/08 07:35 PM
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I stand corrected, that was pure assumption on my part


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Re: Why are uncoated blades more expensive? [Re: out5yder] #250656 11/05/08 07:37 PM
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The pockets in the steel ie... INFI dimples come from the steel foundry when the steel is rolled. Putting a nicer finish like the precision ground stuff would require surface grinding (blanchard) which cost more money.

Most all hot rolled steel will have those pockets and imperfections. They just seem to be deeper and more apparent in INFI.

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Thanks for the explanation. Do most production knife manufacturers (like Buck for instance) use steel that's produced by a different process or is precision ground?

I guess what I'm trying to understand is why more expensive knives have a rougher finish. I always assumed that the cryo heat treatment was expensive (and that it caused the dimples), and that the proprietary steel was somewhat more expensive, and of course being manufactured in the US costs more. However, other than just branding, I'm having trouble believing that, especially in the case of INFI, a mirror finish that's standard on most commodity/production knives should add hundreds of dollars to the price of a blade.


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Re: Why are uncoated blades more expensive? [Re: Jim] #250658 11/05/08 09:01 PM
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Ban,

When somebody like you or Horn Dog do up a blade to make it nice and shiny
looking, do you have to grind much to get the dimples out then? Or do you
leave the dimples in and just polish it up?

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Re: Why are uncoated blades more expensive? [Re: DotD] #250659 11/05/08 09:14 PM
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Ban,

When somebody like you or Horn Dog do up a blade to make it nice and shiny
looking, do you have to grind much to get the dimples out then? Or do you
leave the dimples in and just polish it up?

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Hi Dave,

I didn't know Nascar Dave hangs out at the yard. It is my opinion that the dimples need to be removed in order to get a nice satin. Dimples under satin look ok but still rough and unrefined to my eyes. The dimples are typically about .015-.025 deep. So if I completely remove dimples from the flats of a .25 thick knife...it usually ends up around .23 or so. They require agressive grinding to get rid of them. Doing it by hand would literally take days.

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Thanks for the explanation. Do most production knife manufacturers (like Buck for instance) use steel that's produced by a different process or is precision ground?

I guess what I'm trying to understand is why more expensive knives have a rougher finish. I always assumed that the cryo heat treatment was expensive (and that it caused the dimples), and that the proprietary steel was somewhat more expensive, and of course being manufactured in the US costs more. However, other than just branding, I'm having trouble believing that, especially in the case of INFI, a mirror finish that's standard on most commodity/production knives should add hundreds of dollars to the price of a blade.

Most large knife manufacture buy large quantities of steel which are typically surface ground.

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Re: Why are uncoated blades more expensive? #250662 11/08/08 04:14 PM
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One thing we shouldn't overlook is the possibility that Jerry doesn't do his own blade finishing. I know through some conversations with Mike Stewart that Mike used to finish some of Jerry's blades. For all I know, he may still do that. If Jerry doesn't finish his own blades in-house, the cost for finishing could easily double or triple.

hmmmm.... that is very interesting. But if it didn't come out of Jerry's mouth then I won't believe it. I am pretty sure that Jerry has a crew of grinding monkeys to finish and work on the custom shop stuff. Garth is one of them but he is generally too busy managing other things. Jerry is a very smart businessman and would want to control all aspects of his operation. He probably would not want to rely on someone else to chance the quality of his finished products. It just doesn't make sense for Jerry to outsource his finishing when he can have it all done in house. Especially with the amount of knives that are put out between Busse, Scrapyard, and Swamprat.

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