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Re: The 2nd Amendment and knives [Re: KnotSlip] #745445 01/08/13 02:47 PM
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Unfortunately, It'll never happen but these guys should be getting inundated with calls and emails about not voting for any new gun control legislation.


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Re: The 2nd Amendment and knives [Re: KnotSlip] #745446 01/08/13 05:47 PM
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Thanks for the reminder. I can't fathom having to deal with anymore legislation on my knives, guns, thoughts, or religion.


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Re: The 2nd Amendment and knives [Re: sumoj275] #745447 01/08/13 10:58 PM
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That's the reason for the 2nd ammendment in the first place! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />


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Re: The 2nd Amendment and knives [Re: Private Klink] #745448 01/09/13 03:34 PM
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Illinois lawmakers, led by Senate President John Cullerton and Gov Pat Quinn, are trying to slip gun control measures past the public with House Bill 1263 and 815.

House Bill 1263 was introduced on 8 Feb 2011 and was designed to mandate that sexual assaults on minors shall be punished with a sentence of life imprisonment. The anti-2nd Amendment gun haters saw an opportunity and are trying to slither gun control amendments into this Bill.

House Bill 815 is supposed to amend the Illinois Nuclear Safety Preparedness Act, but once again the gun haters are trying to slip magazine restrictions (10 rounds max), or more correctly “large capacity ammunition feeding device”, into this Bill.

One of the craziest things about this attempt is in the first couple of paragraphs of Senate Amendment 001 of this Bill it states: “Whereas, in the same decision, the Unites States Supreme Court also found that the individual right to possess and use a firearm was not unlimited, that the government has the ability to regulate the possession and use of firearms. And that this right “does not protect those weapons not typically possessed by law abiding citizens for lawful purposes”, and that the government may ban entirely “dangerous and unusual weapons”;….

The decision it’s referring to is District of Columbia v. Heller (No. 07-290), where the high court ruled that the District could not forbid the homeowner from owning a firearm.

As Glock 17 owner, I called Glock and was informed that the Model 17 is their most popular model sold in the US. Wouldn’t this high capacity magazine firearm then qualify as a “typically possessed weapon”?

I gotta find another state to live in, before Illinois officially suspends the Constitution and closes the borders.

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Mastiff, that's why we left Illinois 20 years ago! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />


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Re: The 2nd Amendment and knives [Re: Private Klink] #745450 01/09/13 06:34 PM
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Mastiff, check this out (and congratulations <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> ) :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bDJW97xBAE

But be vigilant, keep in touch with your state and federal reps.

Right now Boehner needs to hear from us to not allow new gun legislation to be voted on until cooler heads prevail.

http://www.speaker.gov/contact


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Re: The 2nd Amendment and knives [Re: monsterdog] #745451 01/09/13 11:25 PM
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The congratulations belong to all the level headed thinkers in Illinois that inundated law makers with phone calls and emails. Chicago politicians hate it that they keep getting all their anti-gun legislation declared un-constitutional by the big court, but they keep trying. And I think sooner or later they’ll be able to sneak something through.

Every time someone tells me how the gun ban in Australia or Britain helped curb gun violence, I ask them where in their Constitution it guarantees their individual right to own firearms. And then I ask if the government changed their Constitution before or after the ban. I always get blank looks.

How soon after the guns where outlawed did the knife restriction happen?

Don’t people get it? Once the Government is allowed to mess with one Amendment, they are all at risk? It starts with something like …oh say…The Patriot Act….

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Re: The 2nd Amendment and knives [Re: Mastiff] #745452 01/10/13 03:19 AM
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Re: The 2nd Amendment and knives [Re: Private Klink] #745453 01/10/13 05:57 AM
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We are watching closely here in GA. I don't trust my representative or senators. They all voted for unreasonable search and seizure and indefinite detention (NDAA, SOPA, Patriot Act). Since they didn't respect amendments 4 thru 6, I have no reason to expect them to honor the second. Kingston is my representative and he already said "gun control is on the table". These phony, pompous jackasses may have stepped in it. Bubbas down here don't even know what the other amendments are, but they follow gun stuff. NRA is big here. AR-15s and Glocks are quite popular here. We will see.


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Re: The 2nd Amendment and knives [Re: SkunkHunter] #745455 01/10/13 07:43 PM
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I love being in OK, the only Red State this election. Wish we could export some of us, or our beliefs , to other in D.C.


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Re: The 2nd Amendment and knives [Re: Mastiff] #745456 01/10/13 07:50 PM
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Every time someone tells me how the gun ban in Australia or Britain helped curb gun violence, I ask them where in their Constitution it guarantees their individual right to own firearms. And then I ask if the government changed their Constitution before or after the ban. I always get blank looks.

Even better, don't let them put you on the defensive side, ask them to provide accurate data for their opinion on gun violence in the UK and Australia.

Because they will not be able to, gun violence is going up in both places (while it is going down in the US).

Official data can be had on government web sites in all the countries mentioned. For the US you will want to look at the FBI's web site.

On the FBI web site you will see that more people are killed yearly by bare hands than by rifles. "assault rifles" will be a small subset of the rifle category.

Ask anyone who want to ban "assault rifles" if we should also require everyone to be handcuffed in public. Its a reasonable parable I think since most people with hands don't go about killing people either.

If they say "more people have hands than firearms", mention hammers and baseball bats, which respectively also are used more to murder than "assault rifles". Or mention that not all rifles are of the "assault" variety, and how about the millions of rifle owners who do not kill people.


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