Well I might just be wrong about the toughness of the ML, pitman. It would not be the first time now would it? As I have never used one, I was just thinking that it was similar to most commercial knives. More good knives is always a good thing and I don't mind being wrong about it all. I'll take your word for its toughness. It is a thing of beauty, for sure. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />