Both my DM's are inspected by #13 - my user was just a perfect beauty before I started stabbing things w/ it. I didn't examine my "keeper" quite as closely as I should have - its got a number of "fish eyes" and the hole for the rivet is pretty ragged... So I guess I'm just going to use them both <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />