Thanks for the replies guys. I would get an LE if I could...but it seems I no longer can. The hardness thing is fine with me, but as far as the grind goes, I just can't understand a thick grind on just about any knife, especially on one as small as the Scrapivore. I also think that the idea that for a knife to be tough it has to have an overly thick edge is a fallacy. A so called "beater" doesn't have to compromise edge quality and cutting ability completely to take a beating. Besides what are you going to be beating on with a Scrapivore?