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Re: Question for Dan re: Invitation to Negotiate
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Actually, we've already established a precedent for doing that sort of thing with the sheath manufacturers. When a new knife is released, Dave or Dwayne let us know when a sheath is available. In order to get pricing or make a purchase, however, we have to contact them via PM or e-mail. Interesting?? That's the first I've heard of that! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> Can you supply more details on this please?
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Re: Question for Dan re: Invitation to Negotiate
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RW - you make some great looking stuff my friend. Just start a thread about your sheaths and mention that you'd be willing to make more, something to that effect. The kydex shots you've already got should be just fine - I'd just let people know that you're open to making more. Leatherface usually posts a "prototype" photo. PM's will probably be inbound shortly after that!
Can't be a blatant "for sale" thread though - don't list prices or anything - just "let it be known." <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
I would like to see some of our "local" guys make sheaths that can be ordered through the company store - that'd be nice!
I wouldn't mind seeing a private trade forum, but at the same time, I don't want to undercut Dan's sales. I can already tell you that I wouldn't be trading anything off though - at least none of my Scrapyards - but I sure would trade FOR some new Scrappers!!
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Re: Question for Dan re: Invitation to Negotiate
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RW - you make some great looking stuff my friend. Just start a thread about your sheaths and mention that you'd be willing to make more, something to that effect. The kydex shots you've already got should be just fine - I'd just let people know that you're open to making more. Leatherface usually posts a "prototype" photo. PM's will probably be inbound shortly after that!
Can't be a blatant "for sale" thread though - don't list prices or anything - just "let it be known." <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
I would like to see some of our "local" guys make sheaths that can be ordered through the company store - that'd be nice!
I wouldn't mind seeing a private trade forum, but at the same time, I don't want to undercut Dan's sales. I can already tell you that I wouldn't be trading anything off though - at least none of my Scrapyards!! Diceman - that's cool pretty much what I've already been doin, I got the impression maybe I had missed something. Thanks.. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Question for Dan re: Invitation to Negotiate
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I can't see how selling Dan's knives by discrete means here would impact new factory sales.. Dan's knives all sell out in hours/days anyway and I think a forum of 'friends' who sell at closer to original prices (than BF) to other forumites is to be commended! Just my 1 pence (worth about 2 cents!)
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Re: Question for Dan re: Invitation to Negotiate
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You're thinking about a sticky thread kind of setup, as opposed to a seperate forum? I think its a cool idea. It'd be a great way for us to avoid the random PM's and the hassle of the scalpers on the secondary market.
The more I think about it, the more I like it. As long as its not an all out sale thread - but as you described it, it should work well.
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Re: Question for Dan re: Invitation to Negotiate
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As long as all negociations and sales were off the forum, it just might work. I am sure that many of us have scrapyard knives we would trade for other models. Sometimes I have been known to buy more than one of a given model.
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Re: Question for Dan re: Invitation to Negotiate
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and it sounds like a good way to help out a fellow dawg! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Question for Dan re: Invitation to Negotiate
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That would be the idea. The only purpose of the thread would be to let people know that you're interested in trading or selling a Scrap Yard knife or knives. From that point on, all negotiations would take place off the forum. Listing prices or trade values in the thread would be strictly prohibited. That woul'd be very cool! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> Im down!!!
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Re: Question for Dan re: Invitation to Negotiate
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And if someone had a SS-4 that they wanted to sell to Prince of Peace they could send him a Private Message and then he could give it to his wife to follow up on for Fathers Day. Like that right BLD552? And nobody's sales or feelings would get hurt in the process.. I see. I don't know how fair that still would be to our own Father...Dan. His forum, his blades, his family's lively-hood, food off HIS table from his own forum.That gives me a crumby feeling inside. As much as I want that knife, I would NEVER want to come by it as a loss of income to the man who takes such good care of all of us. I don't know about the whole sticky wicket. Nice idea to be sure, but it does have a down side that hurts my tummy when I think about it. I'd rather pay E-Bay and know I didn't take a dime off Dans dinner table. Just my true feelings here. Love you all, Peace.
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Re: Question for Dan re: Invitation to Negotiate
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I see PoP's point.
I too would like it where Dogs can get first crack at some blades.
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Re: Question for Dan re: Invitation to Negotiate
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diceman, ..I wouldn't mind seeing a private trade forum, but at the same time, I don't want to undercut Dan's sales. I can already tell you that I wouldn't be trading anything off though - at least none of my Scrapyards - but I sure would trade FOR some new Scrappers!! Would be interesting to see where this thread goes. we wouldn't be Undercutting Dan though.. more like Overcutting! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> If anything it would Promote more new folks to join the Yard to get in on the lower "release" pricing. Would give fellow Dogs here a good way to trade with each other and not get taken by Ebay, etc. The SR-77 doesn't "run out".. it merely gets passed around <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Some other ideas might be.. -put "Stuff For Sale" link in our signature lines (dunno how Dan would feel bout that either) -i HATE Ebay! too many scammers/idiots on there. their fees suck too. -Bladeforums Exchange.. $25/yr. But I don't sell enough knives/year though. -would really be nice to see something here on ScrapYard forum.. there's already lots of trust built up among members here. you can't buy trust like that. Anyways.. cheers!
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Re: Question for Dan re: Invitation to Negotiate
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Tony - there is a lot of trust here on this forum. Its pretty amazing actually. I've bought for people and shipped prior to payment, people have bought for me and shipped prior to payment, certain sheathmakers here have sent me stuff prior to payment - and I don't know of anyone that has gottened burned. Great people here.
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Re: Question for Dan re: Invitation to Negotiate
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if you want to trade, you can use the Bladeforums exchange.
You can dictate whatever terms you wish, including restricting trades to scrapyard forumites or even specify number of posts minimums.
I don't think there should be Sales or trading on this forum.
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Re: Question for Dan re: Invitation to Negotiate
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Heeeey, you're a JYD now - congrats! I haven't been around much this week.
I think that restricting sales/trades to Scrapyard forumites would look very elitist over at BF and kind of paint the yard negatively, if you know what I'm saying...
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Re: Question for Dan re: Invitation to Negotiate
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Heeeey, you're a JYD now - congrats! I haven't been around much this week.
I think that restricting sales/trades to Scrapyard forumites would look very elitist over at BF and kind of paint the yard negatively, if you know what I'm saying... Thanks! just got it last night. It is done all the time, even restricting sales to gold members only sometimes. You could say, first dibs to Scrapyard forumites, and after a week open to the general population. At worst, it might bring some new members into the fold, and that is never a bad thing.
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Re: Question for Dan re: Invitation to Negotiate
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Why not have a seperate for sale or trade section on this forum the same as on the Bladeforums site ?
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Re: Question for Dan re: Invitation to Negotiate
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Good call - its all in the wording...
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Re: Question for Dan re: Invitation to Negotiate
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Why not have a seperate for sale or trade section on this forum the same as on the Bladeforums site ? It'd undercut Dan's business - I don't think it would be appropriate unless it was very limited, as BLD was suggesting...
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Re: Question for Dan re: Invitation to Negotiate
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FWIW, some people just don't want to conduct business on Bladeforums. Nor should they have to AFAIC. And would you force the sheath makers to announce that they have sheaths for Scrap Yard knives on Bladeforums instead of right here? I bought my CGFBM there, but thats it. I do have a basic $10 membership, but don't see myself upgrading to Gold in order to sell stuff.
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Re: Question for Dan re: Invitation to Negotiate
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Making a sale forum here would:
Be a huge hassle for the Administration
Require a laundry list of rules and many Mods.
Bring in lots of undesirables (people just coming to buy and sell, not participate)
Spammers.
Clutter.
Possible legal issues.
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Re: Question for Dan re: Invitation to Negotiate
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Why not have a seperate for sale or trade section on this forum the same as on the Bladeforums site ? It'd undercut Dan's business - I don't think it would be appropriate unless it was very limited, as BLD was suggesting... Why would it undercut Dan ? All his blades would still sell as they always do it would just help us here to " keep it in the family " when it came to them exchanging hands !!!
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Re: Question for Dan re: Invitation to Negotiate
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FWIW, some people just don't want to conduct business on Bladeforums. Nor should they have to AFAIC. And would you force the sheath makers to announce that they have sheaths for Scrap Yard knives on Bladeforums instead of right here? I bought my CGFBM there, but thats it. I do have a basic $10 membership, but don't see myself upgrading to Gold in order to sell stuff. There are other forums which do not require a paid subscription to sell. I have a Platinum membership, because I want to support the forum. Spark runs it at a loss, and still keeps it ad-free. That is worth supporting. I maybe sell once or twice a year. sheathmakers are a gray area. They also have a history of being allowed to basically advertise their wares on all the Busse Co. sites. Makes sense, when the companies don't make sheaths, and only offer very basic models.
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Re: Question for Dan re: Invitation to Negotiate
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How about if a percentage cut was taken by Dan for each sale through his forum, or am I making it a little complicated now ?
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Re: Question for Dan re: Invitation to Negotiate
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Hmmmmm. Your points appear to me to be full of sound and fury signifying nothing. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> But the one thing I'll give you is that it might mean a greater level of diligence on the part of the Mods. On the other hand, the Dogs have proven to be pretty darn capable of policing themselves. So even that point may be moot. you might want to work on your comprehension skills. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Question for Dan re: Invitation to Negotiate
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sheathmakers are a gray area. They also have a history of being allowed to basically advertise their wares on all the Busse Co. sites. Makes sense, when the companies don't make sheaths, and only offer very basic models. Yes. But again if one group can advertise the existence of their wares without actually SELLING ANYTHING, why can't another group advertise the existence of their wares using exactly the same methodology? I really think we're making a mountain out of a molehill here. All I'm proposing is that we be allowed to give each other a heads-up when we're ready to buy, sell or trade out of production Scrap Yard knives. People can make more out of that than it is if they want to, but it seems like a pretty simple request to me. Make a Coalition of Dogs, a "trader's union". Exchange emails, and when one of them wants to offer a trade, send it to that group of people. Easier than a sale forum, it could be accomplished in one thread asking for people to join in the group. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Question for Dan re: Invitation to Negotiate
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Not bad, Rat. But that would require a whole lot more overhead than simply putting up a post saying, "Hey, I've got an SS4 I'd like to trade or sell. PM me or e-mail me if you're interested". <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Yea that! This would work! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> can anyone say Kiss? "Keep it super simple" or " Keep it simple stupid!!!" Don't hate! praticapate!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Question for Dan re: Invitation to Negotiate
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A situation arose recently that brings up a question.
I was interested in trading a Scrap Yard knife, but I only wanted to make it available to the Dogs who frequent this forum. I couldn't figure out a way to announce it without infracting the rules so I ended up PM'ing the JYDs in hopes that one of them might want it. That worked out OK this time, but it was tedious and inefficient. Rather than having to go through that again, I wonder if it would be possible to post an invitation to negotiate for the sale or trade of a Scrap Yard knife with the stipulation that negotiations have to be conducted off line. So if I wanted to sell or trade a Dog Father, for instance, I'd publish a post with the subject "Invitation to Negotiate" and post the Dog Father as the knife under discussion. Then interested parties could PM or e-mail me for more information.
Actually, we've already established a precedent for doing that sort of thing with the sheath manufacturers. When a new knife is released, Dave or Dwayne let us know when a sheath is available. In order to get pricing or make a purchase, however, we have to contact them via PM or e-mail.
I understand your desire not to turn the Yard into a secondary market. But if negotiations are conducted off line, that shouldn't be a problem.
What do you think? I appreciate the thinking and the well thought out memo. However, I insist on this forum being void of sales. I have been forgiving on the sheaths since the Dogs have been respectable and have not blatantly pushed products. I get numerous requests from Amway sales people, Vitamin companies, Pharmaceuticals groups and a host of others wanting to push their stuff on the forum and they get the same answer. Sorry Dan
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Re: Question for Dan re: Invitation to Negotiate
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There are other sites that people can sell on. Some of the ideas you guys have been kicking around are pretty creative and may hold potential.
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