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Re: How to get my knife back? [Re: DogTired] #631214 03/28/12 06:18 AM
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Glad I'm in VA. I see guys walking into Walmart with Sigs on their hips, I carry a 9mm in my waistband or a 45 under my jacket and a swamp warden or scrapivore in my pocket. It's all good and legal. Want a CCW license? A hunter safety course at $20 gets it for you. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
Im originally from Va, and your right about that. Shoot if you dont want to conceal it you can carry it in the open on the hip without a permit and wont be bothered. Big Difference in 3000 miles.

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And because they don't use one, neither should you. Thing you have to remember is they know better and you're just a stupid war mongering redneck that's to ignorant to know right from left.


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Re: How to get my knife back? [Re: jdigi101] #631216 03/28/12 06:57 PM
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In California you can only carry a fixed blade on your belt. The crazy thing is that you can conceal any size folder.

You are actually luck you were not charged for concealing a dirk/dagger style knife (fixed blade with not hand guard). That is a fellony. You can consider your lost knife a knowledge tax.

If you are new to California you should give this a read:

http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/pdfs/f...e3774/1/hilite/

It will save you a lot of greif.

this is true. conceal carrying any sized fixed blade is a felony in California. even if you are wearing a neck knife and it is under your shirt. you either want to be carrying it around your neck outside of your shirt or in a sheath on your belt without your shirt covering it.

the funny thing is, if you have a loaded handgun that is legally registered to you however you do not have a CCW to conceal carry, it is only a misdemeanor if you are caught carrying it concealed. but if you get caught carrying a 3" fixed blade neck knife, thats a felony no matter what.

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Re: How to get my knife back? [Re: tonester] #631217 03/28/12 07:07 PM
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Re: How to get my knife back? [Re: shoonmine] #631218 03/28/12 08:54 PM
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Here in Northern California you'd have to be very obvious to attract attention of the law.

I was in Northern California actually and we were at a camp ground and a ranger came to check on us. pretty much to give us hard time in my opinion. But Ive learned a valuable lesson on what not to do.

Now you have a case my friend. Your campsite is considered a temporary residence. In California you can carry any type of legal knife (not double edged or knuckled) and any registered and loaded firearm openly or concealed while occupying your perminant or temporary residence.

You need to contact the ranger station and request your knife back. Did you get the ranger’s name?

Re: How to get my knife back? [Re: jdigi101] #631219 03/29/12 05:41 AM
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Now you have a case my friend. Your campsite is considered a temporary residence. In California you can carry any type of legal knife (not double edged or knuckled) and any registered and loaded firearm openly or concealed while occupying your perminant or temporary residence.

You need to contact the ranger station and request your knife back. Did you get the ranger’s name?

California doesn't discriminate against double edged knives, but they do with knuckled blades. A lot of people believe double edged knives are illegal but when the knife laws were rewritten in the late 90's they changed the definition of dirk/dagger to not be specific to double edged blades. Neck knives are a gray area as the penal code specifically says open carry at the waist. There have been cases where people were arrested for carrying a knife openly in other locations.

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Penal code Part 6/Title 3/Division 5 - Defines what is a legal pocket knife and what is illegal, by types, e.g. a switchblade and gravity or ballisong knife(PC 17235). Pocket knives, most likely those would be the folding knives are legal, while switchblades, gravity and ballisong knives are illegal.
PC 16470 - Deals with the street carry laws. Basically, you can not carry a dirk or a dagger, definitions below, and more importantly, can't carry folding knife in open/locked position - ...only if the blade of the knife is exposed and locked into position. Therefore folders, carried closed and concealed are legal. No length limitation.
PC 21510 - deals strictly with switchblades, making it a misdemeanor to carry upon a person, or possess in a car, or in a public place, sell, loan, transfer, give, expose for sale, a switchblade knife.
There are other penal codes dealing with knife carry in specific places. Those are: penal code 626.10 which deals with the knife school carry rules. There is also penal code 171.b which deals with the knives in public buildings.

State California allows for concealed carry of the folding knives and there is no limit to the blade length. As long as the knife is not banned by PC 16100-17360 or in Part 6/Title 3/Division 5, it is legal. Division 6 of the same title bans knuckles, division 7 bans nunchakus and so on. 17235 does not make Assisted Openers(AO) illegal. However, depending on the particular AO mechanism and other details some AOs may fall under switchblade category. Kershaw Speed Safe is not one of them, it is perfectly legal, details further down. As far as the state law goes, fixed blades must be carried openly, in the sheath, on the waist. I can't find where does the law ban either double edged blades or dirks and daggers. As the wording is, those are ok for open carry. No knives longer than 2.5"in the school, but folders are ok in the Universities and Colleges. Unless, they were banned by local authorities. No knives longer than 4" in public buildings or buildings open to public meetings, e.g. courts, city halls, police stations, city council meetings, etc.


http://zknives.com/knives/articles/law/caknifelaws.shtml

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Re: How to get my knife back? [Re: tedwca] #631220 03/29/12 05:46 AM
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I do have a question about something I've seen in this thread about REGISTERED guns. I've been in CA for almost 30 years now and bought many guns and I've never had to register a single one. Perhaps I'm interpreting REGISTER in a different way than is meant in these posts. To my way of thinking I've seen other states where you have to fill out separate paperwork to register a gun to you that is different from the federal forms when you originally buy the gun.

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Re: How to get my knife back? [Re: tedwca] #631221 03/29/12 06:18 AM
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TED, I can't of course speak for California, but used to here in Missouri you had to apply for a PERMIT TO PURCHASE a (handgun). It WAS NOT a registration form (but of course could be used to trace serial numbers) as when the firearm was purchased and returned to the office of issuance it was recorded in a book with the name of the purchaser, make, model, serial number, caliber and when it was purchased. Here the book was kept in the File drawers and was USUALLY only looked at when someone had one stolen and didn't know the serial number.

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Re: How to get my knife back? [Re: shoonmine] #631222 03/29/12 10:38 AM
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That really stinks, it is hard to believe some of the laws they have on knives!


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Re: How to get my knife back? [Re: Renee] #631223 03/29/12 07:24 PM
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My dad was a park officer/ranger. He said any time you take personal property you must give a receipt and then write a report and register the item in the evidence room. He said to go ask for a receipt and the possibility of getting you property back. If the item is not in the evedence lock up you can take up the issue with the parks management. State the day, area, and time you were stopped and they should know which ranger it was that stopped you. If there is no paper work or the knife is not in evedence then the officer stole you knife and there should be disciplinary action against that ranger for stealing evedence and personal property. Good luck.


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Re: How to get my knife back? [Re: SkunkHunter] #631224 03/29/12 10:49 PM
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TED, I can't of course speak for California, but used to here in Missouri you had to apply for a PERMIT TO PURCHASE a (handgun). It WAS NOT a registration form (but of course could be used to trace serial numbers) as when the firearm was purchased and returned to the office of issuance it was recorded in a book with the name of the purchaser, make, model, serial number, caliber and when it was purchased. Here the book was kept in the File drawers and was USUALLY only looked at when someone had one stolen and didn't know the serial number.

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Nope, there is nothing like that here. At least at a state level.

Yeah, the ranger probably kept the knife, but is it worth the possibility of a felony record to push the issue for a $50 knife? Either way you would not get the knife back and one of the options has a long term effect on you. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> It is true he should have given you a receipt for it, but then he would have had to chrge you also. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif" alt="" />

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From what I know of California's weapons laws, they stink. But, my actual experience there has been OK. I recently camped out in the Redwood Forest (not in a national park, but a national forest) and a National Forest Service officer visited my campsite. He asked a few questions, but they were mostly aimed at the fact I didn't have a campfire permit. He overlooked the fact I didn't have one since he deemed my firepit safe and I had all the right answers. He also didn't bat an eye when I pulled a Dogfather and 6.5 Reg out of my pack. He even told me about a little known water fall for the next night of camping.

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